Crime & Punishment

I'm against the change because your reasoning is highly flawed and does not accomplish anything you claim it will.

Either the player base could go after your ratting ships or go after your citadels. You say these changes would only make things more inconvenient, but you and I both know that these changes would boost retaliation.

If you were not concerned, your attitude would be to bring on the changes, but that is not your attitude is it?

It really doesn't matter though, CCP will continue to nerf ganking just like they have for years unfortunately. Versus boosting the retaliation aspect of the game which would create more content, and balance things out.

To be honest, I benefit from CODE, however, I doubt the EVE player base does. I'm more concerned about the player base.

BTW, the only true-way to make it harder for all criminals is to make a bounty system that actually works. For your retaliation based buff, the risk-reward equation needs to be fixed as there is very little reward for coming after me (for example) even with a 6 figure bounty.

Change that and you change the whole 'cops and robbers' aspect of the game and THAT would be a good thing...bounty hunters would actually be a thing...

Remember, "you guys" isn't just CODE but all "criminals"....you can't separate one from the other....


Also, no to the choke points idea. In my area of patrol, there are about 8 systems I could use to enter HS and you would need to watch each one of those....again, totally not cost effective and in the end, you just become gate campers...

Gankers already have citadels scattered around. The truth here isnt that you want to destroy their assets... I mean im sure you wish you could but the truth is that destroying their citadels requires effort on your part. Thats always been the biggest difference between gankers and most carebears... Gankers are used to adapting and using mechanics to their advantage while the other side just complains and lies down.

I challenge any of you to actually go out and destroy a citadel.. Go gank a bump machariel, steal their loot, or seed a spy to deal damage as you see possible.

I think it would be great if -5 or lower players could only dock in citadels that their corp owns. Just hard code that into all HS citadels. That way gankers would be given some choices. Put up a destructible asset in HS, make the run from LS to HS every time they want to get the band together, or just continually warp around in space until a target is acquired.

I think this would do a couple of things:

1. Citadel must be corp owned for -5 or lower: Provides assets that are at risk. It can be attacked through the war dec mechanics. It's something solid that the AG community can pound on for content. Content is good. (removing space magic from the game so folks could loot the citadel would be more Eve-ish, but I've put that on my 5 year plan to get into the game).

2. The -5 or lower character would need to park in LS, an attackable citadel or log off. The trip from LS would require some effort which is sorely lacking from the profession at this time. Logging in and grabbing a ship in space would also require effort. It would also allow for some game play at the safe spot where the ORCA or whatever provides the ships (yellow carding a pilot for giving ships to -5 or lower types would be acceptable to enhance this content point). Again - content is good. And I like this one as it gives AG some avenues to inflict damage on the gankers. They would have to work for it through scanning down safes or (dare I say) be somewhat evil and infiltrate the ganking organization to discern the names of the ORCA pilots and figure out when they will be where. CONTENT.


Currently ganking is pretty much an alt character function that is ping driven with no reasonable interaction points until the gank is in progress. AFK belt mining is more difficult than ganking currently is. AFK belt mining has obvious interaction / content points, I think adding some interaction / content points to the ganking profession would be healthy for the game.

I'd say that's true of players in general. Look at the act of acquiring skills. It's been made increasingly easy over time. More SP at sign up. Adjustable attributes. Skill maps. BONUS skill maps. Learning skills removed. Training accelerators from time to time. Newbro rate perks. Skill injectors to bypass the whole thing. And still folks are trying to 'improve' the process. It's pretty insane.

So for ganking it's 'just one more nerf' and for skilling it's 'just one more buff'. It's not ganking that is the problem - it's society and parenting and the media and what not. The world is swirling toward the drain on all fronts. All that being said, in the little immortal elite space pilot simulator we know as Eve, let's just focus on creating more interaction / content points and kind of leave the larger more far reaching societal problems alone. The masses will always want more handouts, that's the way of things right now. Accept it. It's not a ganking or CODE (mostly irrelevant deep immersion role players) thing specifically. Please don't try to make miners out to be the only ninnies whining around looking for a handout. (don't get me started on needy, self important super pilots - Gaaahhhh).

You're probably not bad at the game. If you log in and overall you're enjoying the game, then you're good at it and possibly winning.

This.

You can look to daily news, anywhere, to find examples of people ignoring the common wisdom, knowledge and information of the day that will keep them safe(safer) if event XYZ happens. Yet, this small percentage of people refuse to learn, adapt or do anything to protect themselves and when something does happen, it's the other 90% of society that needs to bail them out...over and over and over. And if not bail them out, listen to them whine on and on about how they never thought it could happen to them.

RL or EVE, it's the same thing....sadly....

You're right. It is a sandbox. Meaning a person has to make connections and content all on their own. Every person playing has to do this. In this particular form of sandbox, you also have to defend what you have... on your own. That includes, in my head, making friends or hiring muscle. Admittedly, this is purely my opinion so take it for what it is, you'll get what you paid for it.

The creators of this sandbox have said, to my recollection, that nowhere undocked in Eve is 100% safe. There are few rules in the sandbox, but that is one of the founding edicts is it not? So when a miner or freighter or whoever happens to be complaining today relies completely on Super NPC intervention to save them from other players who are "making connections and content all on their own", that's their choice.

If those same miners, freighters or whoever happens to be complaining then goes off and lobbies for changes to make their stuff safer without actually doing anything themselves, but make it harder to gank or store assets for ganks... that's wrong. Those players are trying to change the rules of the sandbox in their favor, without allowing for the gankers (who are players with the same rights to content creation and choice) to also be extended the same courtesies. Which is what confuses me.

In a sandbox game as I've ever known them, there are loose rules and then people are allowed to behave as they want. Want to gank? Awesome. Want to pirate and ransom? Awesome. Want to mine, ship freight and make money? Awesome. They are all allowed and more. But you start changing the rules for some groups and it's no longer a sandbox. If High-Sec carebears don't really want a sandbox, I'll repeat myself. Why are they playing Eve? If it's just about casually making money and an always-increasing number score, I know a number of idle games I can link to people.

Also, as I understand it... gankers are racing the clock the moment they undock, aren't they? Especially at -10sec status. Wouldn't that make it harder for them, and nearly impossible if the target is paying attention and looking out for themselves? If they bring more friends to make the gank work, they did better at coordinating than the carebear did. In a sandbox where community and social connections appear to be as important as skill and equipment.

Yep...can't speak for other Agent's tactics but our scout is rarely in the same system as the docked Cats. Once a target has been found and the scout is getting in position, then the Cats launch from wherever they were docked. If that were to be LS then so be it....as you say, it would just add 20-30 seconds to the trip. No biggie....plus his whole premise is to increase the retaliation level against CODE and this LS shift does nothing to achieve that.