Crime & Punishment

Actually TBH, Serendipity is my main....there, I said it...

If miners would just do as we tell them and follow the Code they would have many fewer issues with bumping and ganking. For FOUR years now (the New Order is 4 years old) we have consistently said the same thing. Following the Code will make you a better miner, a better player and yes, a better person.

Miners who get ganked have chosen otherwise. This is the nature of free will. But choices have consequences and becoming a rapidly expanding ball of gas is the consequence of not follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct. You have to understand that all this debating, amazingly simultaneous, arguments that 1) CODE. is irrelevant and 2) CCP needs to massively change the game to stop us, is completely beside the point. We are going to do what we choose to do and all the changes that have occured, all the bannings that CCP has hit our members with and all the caterwauling that take place in the forums have ZERO impact on Code enforcement. We just keep on keepin' on and the ships explode and the miners wail and the forum alts posture.

I destroyed four miners last night in an hour and a half of intermittent gameplay. It wasn't hard, it wasn't unusual for me and I've done it for four straight years. Because I believe that highsec mining ruins Eve. Argue with me all you want but I've never seen a demand of the miners that wouldn't and sadly enough, hasn't actually made the game safer, less interesting, and in my judgement, less popular. Highsec mining is literally killing Eve. There is no place for someone who will undock in an untanked ship, siddle up next to an ice block, start the lasers and then go do the laundry. Not while we are around anyway.

If you disagree, GREAT! Do something about it. The fact that no one has been able to even slow us down will make your success shine all the brighter if you can figure something out. (Obligatory: YOU do something about it, not demand somebody else, like CCP, do it). People have tried in the past. Interestingly enough the list of names of people who have tried include players who later became great New Order members. Warning: close interaction with the miners is the fastest way to becoming an Agent of the New Order. If you breathe in the fumes of carebearism you might have a nasty reaction and become a witty, well spoken mass murderer.

I really love these forums and have often lamented that more players don't come here to share their experiences. One thing I haven't found any lack of is threads planning, celebrating and demanding the end of CODE. They were here in 2013 and they are still popping up like mushrooms after a summer rain shower. Some of the savier vets know that talking about us IS victory for the New Order to the point of accusing us of trolling comments with fake rage against ourselves. The truth is we don't have to do anything of the sort. There will always be people who just can't believe that we can get away with doing what we do, so effectively and with so little actual resistance from the miners. They will be here next week, next month and next year with their demands for SOMEBODY to do SOMETHING.

It won't happen then just like it hasn't happened before now.

We will win. The result is inevitable. Highsec WILL be saved.

Nullsec best sec.

Because in the past I was a ganker, and feel it is important aspect of EVE, I would undo a lot of the nerfs to ganking. That would be the first change, followed by the ones below:

-5s cant dock in npc stations in high sec, but can dock in citadels in high sec at owner discretion

-Tags can only be used to pay sec status up to -5, to increase sec status further you must kill rats

-No criminal flag for destroying unoccupied ships floating in space

This is where you cry about how this is a nerft to ganking, however these changes do not affect ganking in its current state at all.

Because gankers would have to rat their sec status up, likely in something other than a throw away gank ship, that ship is at risk for retaliation

OR

If they choose not to rat then they have to set up a citadel, the community can retaliate agaisnt citadels that harbor criminals.

I mean CODE is so leet, they should have no problems defending citadels that they stage out of, and its business as usual for CODE


Ganking stays the same

May I point out CODE is mostly negative ten and don't care about their sec status?

Ignoring that, it's as simple as having two accounts, one ratting and one ganking. As much as you'd like to believe gankers never leave highsec, if I needed to rat I wouldn't do it in highsec and assuming you do have the balls to follow me, I can cloak go afk and rat when you're not around. Considering I already have to use two or three accounts, it's not like I can't just have both have a scout and a ganker on the two different accounts and switch them as the sec status dictates.


You seem to think there is a necessity to dock, there isn't. It's a luxury that can easily be done without if necessary.

So I ask again, how does this buff retaliation?

You are quite delusional if you think this is a valid statement as your argument presents multiple changes to it.

Point being is it does not matter if you have scouts or a cloak, what matters is you are undocked in something other than a throw away gank ship, it is as simple as that.

I realize it is not necessary to dock to suicide gank, what is your point?

Ok, if you think having me in space cloaked is any different than being docked I have to question whether you actually play this game.

My point in general is everything you are proposing does nothing to buff retaliation.

The point I am trying to make about docking is your proposal to deny docking rights is nullified by the fact it is not necessary to dock to be able to gank.

Normally I find the C&P forum goers annoying as it's typically just a circle jerk of HS gankers/wardeccers praising themselves, but I have to side with them on this.

How would that change anything? I've never ganked and never will, but it's a valid playstyle and it's easier to avoid now than ever before. Do you even play this game, or are you trolling? I'm assuming trolling...

If I'm delusional than why are you so against the change? If it makes no difference than why not?