Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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a simple zkill check of my name would confirm that I have flown logi. This is the kind of grasping personal non-attack that really gets me down, it's like you didn't even try. I've been flying triage for almost 5 years, you don't see that reflected very much though since I tend to not die like a *****.

So yeah I am quite familiar with how logi works... in highsec.. lowsec and nullsec and wormhole space. I'm not ignorant of the power of EWAR the joke here is that you think it gets used every time someone brings the logi out. It doesn't. When the gauntlet is down its mostly just two blobs of dps ships circling each other or bouncing on max range safes while logi trail behind keeping someone alive. Such exhilirating and deep gameplay, if you get lucky someone throws bombs at you once in a while.

Logistic is just fine... the only time there starts to be a potential issue with it is in large numbers just like anything else in eve and it was my understanding that ccp was more focused on more better small fights than large ones.

i for one haven't had logi recently yet have never had a real issue with fleets of the same size that did use it

particularly now that we have MJFG

It's a matter of timing, judgement and luck.

Oh, and bad Logi pilots. There are quite a lot of those.

Almost everything has a good counter in Eve. Alpha has fast locking tracking disruptor, missiles have Sig tanking and more disruption and firewalls, if they're still a thing. Logi have more counters than most now, with well timed double boosting, sensor damping ECM Burt's/focused racials.

One of the biggest threat to logi are well coordinated bomb waves, and focused fire. Logis simply cannot carry the brick and resist tanks of the ships they rep. Most logi in the large battles rely on speed limited, watchlist support and good commanders. Logi is one of the most difficult group roles in the game, and requires much more skill than locking and throwing reps.

We have to know ship types and priorities, multiple backup plans, obsessive watchlist adjustments and tac display interpretation.

Much of the latter applies to medium and small fast paced active engagements

I have no doubt you have flown many types of logi, but those of us who specialize and fly nothing but logi know they already have more on their plates than any other support role. Logi do not need tiericide at this time or foreseeable future.

I am that kind of person. You know the whole thing would have gone south if it weren't for you but no-one noticed.

I only offered Nestors as an alternative, as fleet size nor location were specified... I only meant to demonstrate that in certain situations, Guardians should not be the correct trump card. FAXes and Nestors have their place. OP wanted to nerf those because :reasons: so I put Nestor on the table as a go-between example.

That was all.