Player Features and Ideas Discussion

PvP Arena Proposal

One of the complaints people have is that new players can’t possibly match old players in any way since the skill advantage is simply too high.
I would suggest CCP introduces specialized Systems where PvP can be easily accessible for any type of player under given restrictions

The PvP Arena systems should be Player Skill Point Restricted Systems available in High Sec, Low Sec and Null Sec. with the following restrictions:

- Low Level Entry Systems allow only Players up to 10M SP to
- Standard Level Systems allow Players up to 25M SP to enter
- Top Level Systems allow Players up to 50M SP to enter


Ship Restrictions:
- Low Level Entry System do not allow ships above Destroyer Size (T2 and T3 are not allowed)
- Standard Level Systems allow Ships up to Battle Cruiser Size but no T2 or T3 Cruisers and T2 Battle Cruisers
- Top Level Systems allow Ships up to Battle Cruiser Size incl. all T2 and T3 Cruiser
There should be no ability for Industrial Ships or any Cargo Hauler to enter. Also Mining Ships should not be allowed.

Stations:
- Stations should not have clone bays and must not provide the ability to set a medical clone there or place it as the player home station.
- Stations should provide Repair Services.
- Market and Hanger services should be available as well.

System wide effects:
- Systems should provide command bonus to owning empire. Meaning for example if >75% command nodes are held by caldari empire it should provide special bonus to any caldari pilot fighting in the respective system.
Command nodes can be captured by enemy empires. Means the command nodes can be captured by capsuleers from respective enemy empires to take control of a PvP arena.
Empire controls a system if it owns >75% of the command nodes. If less or equal to 75% then no system wide effect is present.
Once a command node is captured it has an invulnerability times of 6 hours until it can be re-captured.
To capture a command node you need to belong to an enemy empire AND:
a.) There must be no shield emitter active around the node
b.) Player must Entosis the node until it is breached

Low Level Entry Systems
- 3 Shield emitters with 10k HP each (recharge time 20 min)
- 5 minutes entosis time to breach security system of the command node
Standard Level System
- 5 shield emitters 25k HP (recharge time 35 minutes)
- 8 minutes entosis time to breach the security of the command node
Top Level System
- 8 Shield emitter with 35k HP (60 Minutes)
- 10 minutes entosis time to breach the security of the command node

Random Spawn:
- There should be random NPC spawns in the PvP arena that protect nodes from being captured
o Low Level Entry Systems spawn should be cruiser size ships
o Standard Level Entry Systems should be standard Battle Ships
o Top Level Systems should be Elite Battle Ships

Beacons:
- Systems should contain a list of different beacons that players can use to meet for fights.
- The beacons should contain containers with loot objects that spawn on random basis across the various beacons in the system.
- Loot containers require a key card to open. This key card can only be acquired if respective player kills another player from an enemy empire or a corporation/alliance the respective players is at war with (limited engagements like duels do NOT apply) and the respective wreck need to be salvaged to find the key card in the wreck (chance of finding it increased based on salvage skills and equipment bonus)
o Low Level Entry Systems loot objects are T1 Ship Equipment with a chance to get T1 BPCs up to Cruiser Size and rare chance for apparels of the respective empire race
o Standard Level Systems loot are T1 Ship Equipment with a chance to get respective faction Navy items and apparels of respective empire race and a rare chance to get T1 BPCs up to Battle Ship size
o Top Level Systems loot are T1 and T2 ship equipment with a chance to get respective faction Navy items and apparels of respective empire race and a rare chance of faction navy BPCs

Security Levels:
HS Arena:
- All normal rules and Crime Watch features apply as per security level of the respective system
- Gates and Stations have sentries
- Respective Empire Navy Forces are used for Law Enforcement but can be killed. Escalation will apply if capsuleer aggresses NPC law enforcement entities.
- High Sec Arenas should contain at least two High Sec gates
LS Arena:
- Same as for High Sec
- There should be at least 1 Low Sec gate as well
- But no Law enforcement entities are present in the system
Null Sec Arena:
- Same as for Low Sec
- Should contain WHs and NPC sites with chance of Navy faction items to drop.

The arena or dojo is a recurrent theme but unlikely to gain any traction. New players have FW and RvB to learn PvP and the best way to learn is fight someone better than you.

OP...where is the arena part to your idea?

All I am seeing is some half assed SOV like implementation to empire.

You have to claim more nodes to get the bonus control you want. SO a few rounds of half assed "SOV" then you can have your arena how you like it? Or is all this crap the arena?



Also you have this racial. What happens when your small say 3 man fleet is not filled with socially underdeveloped neck bearded RP'ers going for the all 1 race theme. I cover my boy's back while he does entosis....bit messed up system goes to him. A we are in a fleet. B. without me he'd be dead maybe or breaking entosis. Should't matter we are 2 different races really.

Or even better...since pirate is t1 (read the no t2 or t3...fair enough, pirate is technically t1 so allowable) do I get to claim the nodes in the name of Fatal and the Rabbit. What bonuses we talking here...I can think of some fun ones for worm or gila.

There is a place for people like this....its called FW RP corps. If your thing, have at it there.

I guess the key point of all this is to be able to fly against people that are sort of on the same level.
FW is not providing your that type of "protection"

the two main things I want to achieve here:
- Be able to fly against similar level players (older players can use an alt to fight in there)
- Be able to do this Solo without having to join a FW corp or any other group of people

all the more detailed features are subject to discuss it jsut is there to provoke thoughts

Alos the thing about "you learn from the better" is total bullshit, you don't learn anthing if you get ganked on the gate by a bunch of asshats ... apart from maybe "don't go there any more"

if players have similar SP levels there is only so much advantage you can technically have, so it'S really up to the player skills how to use the ship and to do the right things at the right time.

I can easily win a figth in a Cap stable T3 monster and blow up a noob Battleship the guy just aquired after month of hard work because he thought he would survive better in bigger ships going to low/null.

and yeah I can hear the people already.... "go join corps/alliances etc...." some poeple just like to be solo and still enjoy the game
this is clearly not possible in Eve unless you go for PvE only.


@ Forum Admins: I opened 3 threads becasue I reached the max. character barrier and could not add them into the same one.

oh I see, this thing is an insult to the players that have been there from the beginning of time and make eve great ... oh how Iike this thinking

wake up people, Eve is great for some but for new players with no connection to any other player group it is limited fun.

any I'm not talking about the grind, I'm an industrial and I thinki know what grind is

TEST SERVER - GO THERE

He couldn't have just added it in the next post .....
.... obviously ..... i mean.... wow.... right?

It's clearly visible that he is a bright intellectual and we should wish him all the best.

Regarding your arena idea i have nothi g to add that not anyone else who understands the game would say.

You're not one of us.

Test server. Everything costs 100 isk. It's truly peenless pvp as no one cares what happens there. It's exactly what you are looking for.

I have 130 million SP.

Fundamentally, there is no difference at all between me in a rifter and a focused 30 mil SP player in a rifter. Hell, he might well have MORE relevant SP than I do (seriously, **** small AC spec V). What does stopping us fighting one another actually achieve? How much of my SP do you think is even remotley relevant to the ship I am flying at any given moment? Even when I'm sitting in my carrier, the majority of my SP is utterly irrelevant.

Your system has nothing whatsoever to do with EVE's PVP. It isn't going to teach anyone how to actually fight in the real game, just in your 'fair' little arena. (And believe me. If I were to roll an alt , sit on 9.999mil SP entirely focussed on relevant skills for my breacher/kestrel/garmur/dram/whatever, I would eat every 10mil SP newbie who got in range. Still think your arena is fair? Compare a properly setup focussed pvp character to your own skillset when you were a clueless newbie.)

This isn't pvp stuff. EVE PVP doesn't come with training wheels, 'merican football pads and safety nets.

It's been said in a million other places, but I'll repeat it here. The best way to learn to pvp in this game is to fit fifty t1 frigates and lose them all, most likley in FW space. THAT will teach you a lot more about what you can and can't do than an instanced arena with 'fair' fights, structure grinds and entosis mechanics. (fyi, neither of those are fun)

How's about no?