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It is time to make cloaking devices require fuel

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Merchant Rova
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2016-08-31 12:55:25 UTC
OP: "I AM A NULLBEAR WORMHOLE SPACE HAS NOTHING THERE PLEASE CCP ONLY FOCUS ON DEVELOPING GAMEPLAY FOR WHERE I LIVE"

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#22 - 2016-08-31 14:01:04 UTC
Oh looky here we all found another afk cloaked topic about afk cloakers.
All the usual pros and cons to this idea I am going unusual for mine.
Grow some stones and simply deal with it., everyone complains about the risk averse carebear high sec players and yet they deal with what in a practical sense is AFK cloakers evey minute of every game session. Local channels that can hold 25 to 30 or more characters all of them uniformly colored coded white to make identification of hostile entities extremely easy. No intel channels to aid with detection or warnings about potential hostiles and the list goes on. And yet you high and mighty nul sec players complain about a simple afk cloaker you know that one who stands out like a big red neon sign in your local that may hold 4 or 5 characters.

-1 to your extremely poor idea.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2016-08-31 17:58:59 UTC
Kalido Raddi wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way.

Players in Eve are risk averse. Cloaky AFK camping is a tactic explicitly designed to increase the perceived risk. By being AFK for many hours and then returning to the keyboard and making a strike, the camper creates the illusion that a strike could happen at any time.

The objective of this is to prevent use of the target system, causing ADMs to fall and thereby making the system a softer target in Sov warfare.

That's a succinct explanation of the objective of AFK cloaky camping.



I am well aware of what the objective of an AFK cloaker is.

I am still waiting for the explanation of how an empty chair is a threat to anyone, with the exception of trying to gank an AFK drone boat while eating lead paint chips.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-08-31 20:05:20 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Kalido Raddi wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way.

Players in Eve are risk averse. Cloaky AFK camping is a tactic explicitly designed to increase the perceived risk. By being AFK for many hours and then returning to the keyboard and making a strike, the camper creates the illusion that a strike could happen at any time.

The objective of this is to prevent use of the target system, causing ADMs to fall and thereby making the system a softer target in Sov warfare.

That's a succinct explanation of the objective of AFK cloaky camping.



I am well aware of what the objective of an AFK cloaker is.

I am still waiting for the explanation of how an empty chair is a threat to anyone, with the exception of trying to gank an AFK drone boat while eating lead paint chips.


He just explained it. Remove your space-badass earplugs.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2016-08-31 20:23:15 UTC
No he didn't, he told me that the OP is scared. Which I know.

The OP is scared of an empty chair. The empty chair is not a threat to him in any way, shape or form. The only thing that is affecting his gameplay is his own fear. The AFK cloaker cannot, by definition, do anything to him whatsoever.

Please explain how an empty chair is going to kill your ship.
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#26 - 2016-08-31 20:48:09 UTC
Dor Cadmon wrote:
It is clear you are on a not-so-secret war against the AFK yet you continue to allow cloaky camping to occur.

I propose that its time to consider requiring interaction from the AFK cloaker. If someone wants to sit there all day in a cloaked ship and interact with the game client let them. If they want to cloak up and go afk , only to return when THEY are ready then I think such a thing should have diminshing returns.


Make cloaked ships require stront to maintain the cloak. Make the cloaking device require a very small amount of fuel for the first cycle but require progressively more fuel for each [interval] that the ship remains cloaked.

Remove the penality if the ship remains decloaked for a specific period of time.



RIP people that actually use cloaks for hunting.

S H I T P O S T I N G
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-08-31 20:53:39 UTC
You don't know if the chair is empty or not. The operator can come back at anytime.

There are 2 counters to this:

1. Keep a defense fleet on standby 24/7. A dozen active pilots ready to go at a moments notice. The time and effort used in this counter is exponentially greater than the effort used by the afk cloaker.

or

2. Not use the system.

As Eve is a game and not Space-Navy Simulator 2003, nobody will opt for option one.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2016-08-31 20:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Danika Princip
You forgot my personal favourite, option 3:

ignore them entirely. RIGHT NOW I am flying an industrial around in a nullsec system with a known covops cyno alt in local! Shocking, isn't it?

Or option 4:

Do some research, figure out their usual active times, and do your stuff when they're not around

Or even option 5:

Fit your pve ship to not be worthless in pvp

Edit: Or, y'know, do your ratting in a standing fleet with the rest of your alliance's ratters/miners, so if someone egts dropped you can help out...

There are plenty of options that don't involve crying on the forums about the PVP prowess of an empty chair.
Kalido Raddi
Crown Mineworks
#29 - 2016-08-31 22:38:32 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
No he didn't, he told me that the OP is scared. Which I know.

The OP is scared of an empty chair. The empty chair is not a threat to him in any way, shape or form. The only thing that is affecting his gameplay is his own fear. The AFK cloaker cannot, by definition, do anything to him whatsoever.

Please explain how an empty chair is going to kill your ship.

Not all threats take the form of immediate destruction of a vessel. The threat in this case lies in Sov warfare. Everyone understands this - including the people who cloaky camp as part of Sov Warfare.

Even, I suspect, including you.

Specifically, the threat here isn't in terms of destruction of a vessel - although that is frequently a side effect when a cloaky camper returns to keyboard and finds people have gotten blase about their presence (it being obvious there is no way for the defender to distinguish between an AFK camper and one who is there).

The threat is to the Sovereignty of a Star System.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2016-09-01 11:03:07 UTC
Here, let the door hit you on the way out...
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#31 - 2016-09-01 12:10:27 UTC
There is a dedicated thread for AFK cloaking located here : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6618350#post6618350

Thread closed.

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