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Gladly. Shorten Industrial Core cycle time. Then you can deter unwelcome BLOPS and allow help by turning it off.


Good point. Only interdicts non-Industrials. Haulers and miners warp unhindered, but others stop at edge to give miners extra time to warp away. Turn it off to let help warp right to you.


Make the Rorqual an invulnerable Citadel? You're the one on a roll. ;)
You don't seem to realize that you are accidentally agreeing with me by saying a Rorqual Skiff fleet would not be scary for you. #TrollFail

So, unless my math is wrong, the boosts from the orca have been nerfed by roughly 16%?

This dumbs down ganking quite a bit.

Say I'm in an orca, boosting a mining fleet.

With the current range limitations, I have to be dead center in order to boost my fleet that is spread through the asteroid field.
Dead center is next to the default warp in spot.
7ish years ago, we used to mark an asteroid on the end. Warp to it and travel at extreme low speed across the field, skimming some, gobbling others... True Strip Mining may see its' return.

Now, lets move to wormhole space.
Oh... I can only boost 2 asteroids at a time with the current range limitations, if I'm lucky and the 2 asteroids are close to each other.
Commonly, asteroids in WH fields are 30 to 50, or more apart.
It amounts to a lot of tedious moving for slow ships, that will be even more clumsy without the passive command agility bonus.

Given that it is more efficient/productive for me to hop in a barge/exhumer and simply mine, rather than boost, if there is less than 4 to boost...
And also given that 4+ miners and a boost ship... all within Smartbomb range will breed a new style of ganking... the AE Smartbomb gank maneuver, where a handful of gankers pack their resists to their own smartbombs (which they have loaded in every high slot available) in order to survive for as many pulses as they can before blowing each other, and the entire mining fleet like a cheerleader on prom night.

If the passive Mining Yield boost poofs... I'm going to take my ships off the markets, learn to fly them, and then just blow stuff up for a year.

/retire boost ship ... eat 2 million SP loss from Extractor/Injector inefficiencies... train combat stuff... blow stuff up, instead of producing anything, like everyone else. Then the marketing experts run out of stuff to sell... then pilots have to start making their own ships... then the system rebalances itself... = See ya next year when the balance has been restored to the force.

In short, the range thing blows monkey balls.


Also... the burst thing seems like it's going to cause major lag issues. Zillions of extra Timers counting down...
Especially if ALL bursts trigger timers... i.e. getting hit with a max skill level boost, then getting hit with a lower skill level boost gives you 2 separate timers... one for the max boost and one for the low skill boost.

1,000,000 isk says that places like Jita trigger crashes that lead to a series of emergency rollbacks/downtime days.

You are boosting the mining ships, not the asteroids...

A wing command 4 Orca will provide bonuses to Mining Ships out to 35km. That's 35km <- that way AND -> that way. A 70 km diameter. You will further boost the mining range of those barges by 80.86%, allowing them to reach out to 27 km.

Your orca allows for mining of anything within 62 km. Across a 124km span. And that's with WC4, not even perfect boosts.

Way to go CCP! It's a new mechanic I'm really looking forward to.






This is a good question. Any thoughts on this? Would you consider it part of the emergent gameplay?

Is the mining bonus from mining links being increased? Something written in the OP suggested it will be, but it was not clear to me.

Currently the orca gets a max mining cycle time reduction of around 32% with mining mindlink and max skills. Is this max being increased, and to what?

Also, by my calculations the max range on orca mining boosts will now be 43km. Bumping their orca away from the belt; I wonder if the devs considered that this will happen? The threat of ganking may also keep some from warping their booster to the belt entirely.

You suggested:
"make Industrial core module prevent cyno fields from being activated nearby. And/or it could create a large warp disruption bubble"

To which I replied "why you would like your Rorqual to lose the ability to Cyno in support ships to defend it"

You replied with
"Shorten Industrial Core cycle time. Then you can deter unwelcome BLOPS and allow help by turning it off."

You suggested it Cyno Jam AND affect covert cyno AND reduce cycle time.

I do apologize for quantifying the cycle time to one minute. I must have mixed your post up with another i read at the time on that matter.

I don't need to "Build strawmen to attack you for wanting god mode miners". I'm not attacking you, merely leading you into realizing why your suggestions are ill conceived. You did that to yourself when you unironically "suggested" that invincible ships should be allowed to apply damage. Perhaps you don't remember the days when drones used to be able to attack while the ships that launched them were sitting safely in a POS bubble. I do. That was actually a thing!


All siege/triage/bastion modules go on and off, with duration of positive and negative effects tied to that cycle. You suggest shorter cycle. I assume it affects the entire siege mechanic in my reply. You then

- Say I came up with the idea of them being separate things
- Agree it's a BAD IDEA!
- Suggest the devs actually make it 3 separate things in the next sentence

And I'm the one building strawmen...


It is not at all uncommon, especially for Gurista rats (and sleepers if i recall, been out of W-space a while), to have battleships orbit as far as 90km. Your drones have a 60km (if you maxed the skills) control range. Or do you plan on fitting two drone link augmentors instead of strip miners on those barges? No, you call one of the ratters in the standing fleet to clear them out.

Bubbles are bubbles. They all function the same way! What we have are ships that are immune to the effects of bubbles, which is a very different thing from a bubble that specifically affects some ship types and not others. You can say I put words in your mouth again, but I don't believe you were honestly suggesting that all mining and hauling ships should be completely immune to all bubbles like interceptors are.

Low sec is a very special place. It is hard to lose a pod there if you know what you are doing. As a result, some people run around with implants that cost far more than your Rorq. Would someone troll bait with a rorq bubble? Yeah. Bet on it.


No I'm not. I thought I was pretty clear. Should a mining fleet be afraid of three guys roaming in cruisers? Lol no. Should they be afraid of getting bubble f'd and having capitals dropped on them? Lol yes. Thank you for re-iterating what I said.

You do not want them to drop right on top of your fleet? There are mechanics in the game for that already! In null, you can install a cyno inhibitor that affects the entire system! With your own (super)capitals in system to dunk people that come in. Otherwise, there is a deployable you can anchor that disables the ability to light cynos within 100 km of it! They do not stop covert cynos as I mentioned previously. See the your own capitals in system to dunk part. You want bubbles to protect you? Anchor them!

So why is your suggestion bad? Because these mechanics already exist, it just takes effort and resources to use them. You want it passive and for free - the opposite of the design ideals of these changes.

You know what else we do? Scout enemy systems within jump range. When they form up for a drop, we put away things we can't protect from what they have (that we care about losing)

...or 6 BC/C with high RoF and TP.
damn, a hulk can't tank it without shield links, and they know ut, that's why they are giving us also that "upgrade".

As of ammunition/fuel for Command Burts modules

Like some other pointed, blog proposed fuel mechanics can create some unpleasant logistics problems with cargo space consumed, stockpiling effort etc.

• Best solution IMO would be to use not consumed scripts.
• If you really want to have some resource sink for boosting then crystal mechanics like for lasers or mining seems appropriate to me. In this case you can even update Command Burst Specialist skill effect to lower crystal damage.
• If you insist on fuel/ammunition then please make command modules capacity high enough for nonstop running without reload for at least hour (better 2 ). You can even update Command Burst Specialist skill effect to increase command module capacity.

All options would limit logistic hassle and possible cargo space issues

Just to state my position, I made my suggestions because I know that Rorquals will rarely be used unless they are given more safety. My suggestions are meant to suggest additional safety mechanics to partially mitigate that. What is your position on that?

No, that would be Ad Hominem. A Straw-Man argument sets up a false version of the opponent’s position (the Straw-Man) and tries to score points by attacking the Straw-Man. Which is what you did.

I never said that the bubble should be usable in low sec. It would be prevented the same way low-sec prevents HICs from bubbling there. However if the dev's want Rorquals to still be used in low-sec, devs choosing to allow a defensive bubble that is limited to places where ore is found could help. Obvious bait is obvious.

Yep, the things I'm suggesting are already in the game as deployables. Yet for some reason you think that adding any of my suggestions to the Rorqual hull (like bubbles given to HICS) are ill conceived?