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Now that we have F2P

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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-08-31 21:01:26 UTC
Is the current sub fee justifiable for game activities that aren't allowed under F2P.

For me.......not so much.
Atrox Wagner
Drunk Unicorns In Diapers
#2 - 2016-08-31 21:04:12 UTC
im 50% / 50% on this ... not sure ... maybe if they did it in another way than sub cost would be justifiable
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#3 - 2016-08-31 21:07:09 UTC
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#4 - 2016-08-31 21:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Xtreem
the new accounts are very limited, I was more annoyed at skill injectors than this, by a good margin at that.

an alpha can never catch up to my 13 years or play, an injector can, that grinds on me alot more that someone can pay to excel at something I do than someone can play and potentially sub for a massively lower rate.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#5 - 2016-08-31 21:41:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
I pay out of pocket for multiple accounts. I'd rather spend ISK on things in game than plex, and this game is dirt cheap. I'll pay $50 to go golfing for four hours. I'm supposed to say $12/mo per account is expensive for something I get dozens upon dozens of hours of entertainment from every month?

If $12/month is breaking the bank for you, you need to spend less time on video games and more time finding a better job anyway.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-08-31 21:45:10 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
the new accounts are very limited, I was more annoyed at skill injectors than this, by a good margin at that.

an alpha can never catch up to my 13 years or play, an injector can, that grinds on me alot more that someone can pay to excel at something I do than someone can play and potentially sub for a massively lower rate.



You missed the point. I don't care what I can do vs others.

Before...$15/m for 100% of the game.
After.......$15/m for a percentage smaller than before.

Since everything I do can be done with the F2P model, is the $15/m worth it?

So far for me not so much.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-08-31 21:48:04 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
I pay out of pocket for multiple accounts. I'd rather spend ISK on things in game than plex, and this game is dirt cheap. I'll pay $50 to go golfing for four hours. I'm supposed to say $12/mo per account is expensive for something I get dozens upon dozens of hours of entertainment from every month?

If $12/month is breaking the bank for you, you need to spend less time on video games and more time finding a better job anyway.



Did you notice I mentioned nothing about the sub cost breaking the bank.
I talked about the value of the content accessible for the sub cost vs the value of the content allowable under the F2P model to me.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#8 - 2016-08-31 21:48:27 UTC
Multiple account subs may actually save some money with this. Intel alts, low SP alts, scout alts can all be had for free. I think you'll see a lot of single sub people like myself with at least one Free account too. This overcomes the multi-boxing advantage that some of the richer/more developed players had over those of us that just couldn't justify another sub fee.

So, I don't think they'll drop prices at all. You'll probably want at least 1 sub account and 1 free account. That will cost CCP some money up front, but they are gambling that the attraction with new players getting sub accounts or in game goods (Think PLEX and Skill Injectors) will offset any losses and lead to an increased player base.

It is a risk on CCP's part though.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#9 - 2016-08-31 21:51:28 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Did you notice I mentioned nothing about the sub cost breaking the bank.
I talked about the value of the content accessible for the sub cost vs the value of the content allowable under the F2P model to me.


And I'm saying $12/mo to have an account that's more than 5 million SP and can actually DO things in this game is perfectly fine
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2016-08-31 22:04:40 UTC
f2p p2w what's next? I'm about to sell my toons and never bother with subs. My Alpha army is coming...

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#11 - 2016-08-31 22:10:05 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
the new accounts are very limited, I was more annoyed at skill injectors than this, by a good margin at that.

an alpha can never catch up to my 13 years or play, an injector can, that grinds on me alot more that someone can pay to excel at something I do than someone can play and potentially sub for a massively lower rate.



You missed the point. I don't care what I can do vs others.

Before...$15/m for 100% of the game.
After.......$15/m for a percentage smaller than before.

Since everything I do can be done with the F2P model, is the $15/m worth it?

So far for me not so much.


What exactly will you being getting jipped on? (Is that how's it spelled?) Do you never use t2, or cloaks, or bombers, or battleships and above?
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#12 - 2016-08-31 22:11:54 UTC
For me, yes. There are a bunch of things I like doing in EVE that will be Omega-only: cloaking, advanced industry, PI, efficient mining, I want to get into Sleeper Data Caches sometime, I want to run incursions eventually, etc.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-08-31 22:21:47 UTC
Cien Banchiere wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
the new accounts are very limited, I was more annoyed at skill injectors than this, by a good margin at that.

an alpha can never catch up to my 13 years or play, an injector can, that grinds on me alot more that someone can pay to excel at something I do than someone can play and potentially sub for a massively lower rate.



You missed the point. I don't care what I can do vs others.

Before...$15/m for 100% of the game.
After.......$15/m for a percentage smaller than before.

Since everything I do can be done with the F2P model, is the $15/m worth it?

So far for me not so much.


What exactly will you being getting jipped on? (Is that how's it spelled?) Do you never use t2, or cloaks, or bombers, or battleships and above?



Where did I say I was getting jipped? Step away, take a breath.....comprehend.

Topic - Value of what was vs value of what will be.

And yes I have used them, and nothing I do atm is hindered by using T1. Again....I don't need to min/max to play the game anymore. And that is the only value of the sub.

If everything I do can be done to my tastes with the new F2P model, why sub.
The Leopardess
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2016-08-31 22:40:34 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
I pay out of pocket for multiple accounts. I'd rather spend ISK on things in game than plex, and this game is dirt cheap. I'll pay $50 to go golfing for four hours. I'm supposed to say $12/mo per account is expensive for something I get dozens upon dozens of hours of entertainment from every month?

If $12/month is breaking the bank for you, you need to spend less time on video games and more time finding a better job anyway.



Did you notice I mentioned nothing about the sub cost breaking the bank.
I talked about the value of the content accessible for the sub cost vs the value of the content allowable under the F2P model to me.



Shouldn't you be happy about this then? It really does not affect my playstyle at all. I want big fancy expensive ships and I can afford to pay for accounts, plex, skins, clothes etc. Many other old people (30+) can as well and I doubt any of us will begrudge people their free fun but on the other hand if one likes flying that one sexy ship above cruiser Alpha is not a choice.

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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-08-31 22:57:12 UTC
The Leopardess wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
I pay out of pocket for multiple accounts. I'd rather spend ISK on things in game than plex, and this game is dirt cheap. I'll pay $50 to go golfing for four hours. I'm supposed to say $12/mo per account is expensive for something I get dozens upon dozens of hours of entertainment from every month?

If $12/month is breaking the bank for you, you need to spend less time on video games and more time finding a better job anyway.



Did you notice I mentioned nothing about the sub cost breaking the bank.
I talked about the value of the content accessible for the sub cost vs the value of the content allowable under the F2P model to me.



Shouldn't you be happy about this then? It really does not affect my playstyle at all. I want big fancy expensive ships and I can afford to pay for accounts, plex, skins, clothes etc. Many other old people (30+) can as well and I doubt any of us will begrudge people their free fun but on the other hand if one likes flying that one sexy ship above cruiser Alpha is not a choice.



Happy? Where did I make the statement that I was sad?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-08-31 23:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Syn Shi wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
the new accounts are very limited, I was more annoyed at skill injectors than this, by a good margin at that.

an alpha can never catch up to my 13 years or play, an injector can, that grinds on me alot more that someone can pay to excel at something I do than someone can play and potentially sub for a massively lower rate.



You missed the point. I don't care what I can do vs others.

Before...$15/m for 100% of the game.
After.......$15/m for a percentage smaller than before.

Since everything I do can be done with the F2P model, is the $15/m worth it?

So far for me not so much.
Interesting.

I suppose if everything you do can be contained within T1, non-pirate faction cruiser or below, and only of your starting race if I understand correctly, without T2 mods it works out to actually being able to operate completely within the alpha clone. But I'd be very willing to bet the segment of the player base willing to live within those limits considering the gains outside of it isn't too great.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#17 - 2016-08-31 23:56:32 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
The Leopardess wrote:
Shouldn't you be happy about this then? It really does not affect my playstyle at all. I want big fancy expensive ships and I can afford to pay for accounts, plex, skins, clothes etc. Many other old people (30+) can as well and I doubt any of us will begrudge people their free fun but on the other hand if one likes flying that one sexy ship above cruiser Alpha is not a choice.



Happy? Where did I make the statement that I was sad?


What was your point in making this thread?

Complaining? Trolling? It's one of the two
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2016-09-01 00:10:48 UTC
Please use the existing feedback thread at this location instead of creating a new thread for the same topic. Thank you.

Thread closed.

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