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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6501 - 2016-08-31 16:44:21 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I did, with the AFK flag on an OS linked to the coming local one, but that's just me. So 100% safety is the way to reply to that, whoooooaaaaah so bad....


I'll take an afk flag if you give me the ability to take away local chat. Local = 100% risk free PvE in sov null


Its there when they make local require to have an OS too, which is definitely coming, you want to get rid of local you can blow up the OS that supplies it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6502 - 2016-08-31 16:49:15 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Its there when they make local require to have an OS too, which is definitely coming, you want to get rid of local you can blow up the OS that supplies it.


Once they commit to a way to get rid of local completely in null (even blowing up a structure) I'll start to consider a way to scan down cloaked ships in null. Just leave WHs as they are
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6503 - 2016-08-31 17:16:40 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Its there when they make local require to have an OS too, which is definitely coming, you want to get rid of local you can blow up the OS that supplies it.


Once they commit to a way to get rid of local completely in null (even blowing up a structure) I'll start to consider a way to scan down cloaked ships in null. Just leave WHs as they are


I don't want to be able to scan down cloaky ships, I just do not like the AFK part.

I am totally not interested in WH space and their mechanics, I just pass through them...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6504 - 2016-08-31 17:25:25 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I don't want to be able to scan down cloaky ships, I just do not like the AFK part.

I am totally not interested in WH space and their mechanics, I just pass through them...


Because so many people have killed you or earned ISK while AFK and cloaked
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6505 - 2016-08-31 18:29:48 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I don't want to be able to scan down cloaky ships, I just do not like the AFK part.

I am totally not interested in WH space and their mechanics, I just pass through them...


Because so many people have killed you or earned ISK while AFK and cloaked


You are full of the lame HTFU comments, it is called interacting while AFK, simple really.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6506 - 2016-08-31 18:38:13 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
You are full of the lame HTFU comments, it is called interacting while AFK, simple really.


I apologize that you can't PvE in 100% safety in the most dangerous parts of the game. How silly of me to think null shouldn't be safe.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6507 - 2016-08-31 18:54:43 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
You are full of the lame HTFU comments, it is called interacting while AFK, simple really.


I apologize that you can't PvE in 100% safety in the most dangerous parts of the game. How silly of me to think null shouldn't be safe.


Another lame HTFU comment, that is not 100% security...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6508 - 2016-08-31 18:58:05 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Another lame HTFU comment, that is not 100% security...


...have you ever been to sov null? anyone watching local while PvEing will get away literally 100% of the time as things stand today
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6509 - 2016-08-31 19:24:42 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Another lame HTFU comment, that is not 100% security...


...have you ever been to sov null? anyone watching local while PvEing will get away literally 100% of the time as things stand today


I spent most of my time in 0.0 and you are in fact incorrect, there are plenty of circumstances where even if you are watching local you can be caught. I am not going to detail them again as I have already done so in this thread.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6510 - 2016-08-31 19:50:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I spent most of my time in 0.0 and you are in fact incorrect, there are plenty of circumstances where even if you are watching local you can be caught. I am not going to detail them again as I have already done so in this thread.


Having lived in null for years, I call bullsh*t. Watch local, watch intel, stay aligned, listen in voicecomms. You will never get caught PvEing
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6511 - 2016-08-31 20:01:02 UTC
Someone at work shouldn't be a tangible threat to someone playing the game.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6512 - 2016-08-31 20:03:49 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Someone at work shouldn't be a tangible threat to someone playing the game.


How is someone not at their keyboard a tangible threat? They literally can't attack you because, ya know, they aren't at their keyboard
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6513 - 2016-08-31 20:31:57 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I spent most of my time in 0.0 and you are in fact incorrect, there are plenty of circumstances where even if you are watching local you can be caught. I am not going to detail them again as I have already done so in this thread.


Having lived in null for years, I call bullsh*t. Watch local, watch intel, stay aligned, listen in voicecomms. You will never get caught PvEing


Don't you just adore absolutes, 100% security and all that, I have seen loads of people get caught in 0.0, I am seriously beginning to doubt you have spent any time in 0.0. My corp was killing mission runners in Stain which is not that easy and we did not see the need to AFK cloaky camp them either. Yes we caught them on system gates but we also caught them in missions, you just need to know what you are doing. It is not easy, but Eve is not supposed to be easy it it?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6514 - 2016-08-31 21:06:29 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Don't you just adore absolutes, 100% security and all that, I have seen loads of people get caught in 0.0, I am seriously beginning to doubt you have spent any time in 0.0. My corp was killing mission runners in Stain which is not that easy and we did not see the need to AFK cloaky camp them either. Yes we caught them on system gates but we also caught them in missions, you just need to know what you are doing. It is not easy, but Eve is not supposed to be easy it it?


If you're pre-aligned to a POS/safe and watching local, you will warp out before even an interceptor gets on grid. The issue is people don't watch local. They watch netflix while AFK ratting/mining.

No, EVE isn't supposed to be easy, so do your PvE in groups, stay on comms and ignore those mean ol' cloaked ships
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6515 - 2016-08-31 21:27:20 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Don't you just adore absolutes, 100% security and all that, I have seen loads of people get caught in 0.0, I am seriously beginning to doubt you have spent any time in 0.0. My corp was killing mission runners in Stain which is not that easy and we did not see the need to AFK cloaky camp them either. Yes we caught them on system gates but we also caught them in missions, you just need to know what you are doing. It is not easy, but Eve is not supposed to be easy it it?


If you're pre-aligned to a POS/safe and watching local, you will warp out before even an interceptor gets on grid. The issue is people don't watch local. They watch netflix while AFK ratting/mining.

No, EVE isn't supposed to be easy, so do your PvE in groups, stay on comms and ignore those mean ol' cloaked ships


Notice that word IF used with pre-aligned, now we are talking, it is not an absolute is it?

And you make the assumption that everyone can be in groups no matter TZ's, hell I was in IRC just before they collapsed against Razor and there was 4k plus characters in the alliance and in certain TZ's, intel did not work and no one would come to save people. Too many people in Eve talk about the perfect situation and expect that is how it is, more mature people understand that not everything can be perfect all the time and those claiming that perfection is the norm are not being honest with themselves or others...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6516 - 2016-08-31 21:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Dracvlad wrote:
Notice that word IF used with pre-aligned, now we are talking, it is not an absolute is it?

And you make the assumption that everyone can be in groups no matter TZ's, hell I was in IRC just before they collapsed against Razor and there was 4k plus characters in the alliance and in certain TZ's, intel did not work and no one would come to save people. Too many people in Eve talk about the perfect situation and expect that is how it is, more mature people understand that not everything can be perfect all the time and those claiming that perfection is the norm are not being honest with themselves or others...


Finally we're getting somewhere. If you choose to live in null and don't come to save your corp mates/corp mates don't come to save you, if intel doesn't work, then you deserve to have your ship blown up. EVE isn't supposed to be easy. Who just said that two posts back?

We finally hit the heart of the issue, you want to nerf cloaks because you join groups who want to live in null but don't enforce the existing mechanics that keep you safe. Don't call for nerfs because your corp and alliance mates are lazy, be more selective in who you let into your group.

Hell, if I'm logged in and not on comms and in a standing fleet, my own directors would neut me out as a first warning, kill/pod me as a second warning, and kick me from corp after the third time. If you don't like that, stay in HS.

(and I don't mean that disparagingly, not everyone wants an ultra-serious hardcore night of gaming. That's why there are more options than null. HS is specifically designed for a more laid back game play, so take advantage of it and you will never worry about AFK cloaking again

There are many times where I don't feel like talking to anyone, don't want to be on comms, don't want to be alert 100% of the time, so I jump back to HS and mindlessly run L4s or mine. It's relaxing, but if I'm not paying attention 100% of the time, I shouldn't be outside of HS)
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#6517 - 2016-09-01 01:26:14 UTC
You don't even need to be pre aligned. Players appear in local before they load grid. They'd have to jump gate and know exactly where to warp to stand a chance of catching a battle ship.

People caught in null are not paying attention or are jumped by a cloaker who's already been in the system a while.

When it comes to playing together in null, things don't have to be perfect but the players who put in more effort and skill should survive more and those that play alone should die more. Nothing says you are entitled to survive in null when you play alone.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6518 - 2016-09-01 05:29:44 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
You don't even need to be pre aligned. Players appear in local before they load grid. They'd have to jump gate and know exactly where to warp to stand a chance of catching a battle ship.

People caught in null are not paying attention or are jumped by a cloaker who's already been in the system a while.

When it comes to playing together in null, things don't have to be perfect but the players who put in more effort and skill should survive more and those that play alone should die more. Nothing says you are entitled to survive in null when you play alone.


Confirmed. There is a definite gap between appearing in local and when you load grid and are able to warp.

Further if there are multiple anomalies, then it is a crap shoot on which anomaly you warp to having your target in it.

If you get caught you were most likely distracted.

Local absolutely provides a "home field" advantage.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6519 - 2016-09-01 05:35:35 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Notice that word IF used with pre-aligned, now we are talking, it is not an absolute is it?

And you make the assumption that everyone can be in groups no matter TZ's, hell I was in IRC just before they collapsed against Razor and there was 4k plus characters in the alliance and in certain TZ's, intel did not work and no one would come to save people. Too many people in Eve talk about the perfect situation and expect that is how it is, more mature people understand that not everything can be perfect all the time and those claiming that perfection is the norm are not being honest with themselves or others...


Finally we're getting somewhere. If you choose to live in null and don't come to save your corp mates/corp mates don't come to save you, if intel doesn't work, then you deserve to have your ship blown up. EVE isn't supposed to be easy. Who just said that two posts back?

We finally hit the heart of the issue, you want to nerf cloaks because you join groups who want to live in null but don't enforce the existing mechanics that keep you safe. Don't call for nerfs because your corp and alliance mates are lazy, be more selective in who you let into your group.

Hell, if I'm logged in and not on comms and in a standing fleet, my own directors would neut me out as a first warning, kill/pod me as a second warning, and kick me from corp after the third time. If you don't like that, stay in HS.

(and I don't mean that disparagingly, not everyone wants an ultra-serious hardcore night of gaming. That's why there are more options than null. HS is specifically designed for a more laid back game play, so take advantage of it and you will never worry about AFK cloaking again

There are many times where I don't feel like talking to anyone, don't want to be on comms, don't want to be alert 100% of the time, so I jump back to HS and mindlessly run L4s or mine. It's relaxing, but if I'm not paying attention 100% of the time, I shouldn't be outside of HS)


Projecting again, it is a simple fact that in many alliances some TZ's are weaker than others, something which has been detailed in this thread. I am merely calling for flagging AFK people due to it being lazy play, if you want to project your issues on others that is your problem not mine.

For a start to say that you couldn't catch anyone is rather pathetic, me and my corpies were killing lots of mission runners in Stain and you were saying it was 100% safe, rubbish...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6520 - 2016-09-01 05:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Daichi Yamato wrote:
You don't even need to be pre aligned. Players appear in local before they load grid. They'd have to jump gate and know exactly where to warp to stand a chance of catching a battle ship.

People caught in null are not paying attention or are jumped by a cloaker who's already been in the system a while.

When it comes to playing together in null, things don't have to be perfect but the players who put in more effort and skill should survive more and those that play alone should die more. Nothing says you are entitled to survive in null when you play alone.


Then you are fail, because we caught people, just because you are lazy and lack knowledge and ability you want AFK cloaky camping to cover for your weakness.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp