Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your post is totally stupid and was insulting, like so many of you. who is saying it should be safe to rat in 0.0, I never said that, its your projecting your stupid hate on others. As I keep pointing out I do not like the AFK side of this, where people not ATK can interact with no issues.

You might not have noticed but that toe rag comment was after you were insulting with the brain fart comment not before.

The AFK cloaking makes people not bother to log in, if that is what you lot want to do then that's it, over time you will see the population of Eve reduce even more and my point was that all you will have is people AFK cloaking camping each other while playing other games waiting for someone to do something and they won't. Will be kinda funny...

Again failure to assess the game changes, there is a huge amount of players who now have the ability to fly and use blak ops. second we have the fact that those players are extremely wealthy, another aspect is that they are bored, add to that the removal of the watch list and you have an increased risk that you will get dropped execution style, now add skill injectors to that mix and you have a much changed situation. For example Cyno 5 was a bit of a train so AFK campers tended to have a history, now they don't. Did you note that the jump fatigue is a lot less for BLOPS?

When I saw that carriers had an initial buff, I was really happy because the blops groups would have a real risk, but CCP back tracked on that.

The last time I was heavily AFK cloaky camped we got a spy in the group, I can say it now, though they did not fully trust him, what was evident was their mode of operation, they were account sharing with the camping alts and due to this were covering 12 different systems, the main guy was also playing other games while waiting for someone to do something in Eve, then he would pause his game and go execution style with other mates from his main alliance, who were operating nearby.

We set up to trap his BLOPS but he would not drop, he had a whiff of a risk he would not drop, simple as.

I have seen people AFK cloaky camp like this, I was ratting in Stain, belt ratting by the way, in would come a Russian guy, their top killer by the way, a legend with the Russians, he would be in a Legion, I knew his fit, he would come into the system I was in and wait. I would wait a bit then go to the next door system, an hour later he would come into that system, rinse and repeat, this lasted for three weeks. That is the level of lameness I am getting at, the guy was doing other stuff on other characters and then would check this toon every so often. That just got so damn boring...

It is nothing to do about your assertion that it is catering for hisec carebears, in fact the biggest carebears are the BLOPS droppers, true they drop expensive ships with expensive mods and use expensive implants, however they are mainly incredibly risk averse.

Those players you despise want to be in 0.0 and want to get involved in PvP, however to do PvP requires income, first of all they need to get the ships to do alliance doctrines, then the ships to compete against roaming gangs, pay for their plex, etc., not all of those players operate in the main alliance play times either.

Eve is a game of accounts, they are best off having a toon or two in hisec that can just go do incursions and do hisec missions, but then the question comes into their brains why bother in 0.0, so they don't, then they find hisec missions poorly paying and incursions mind boggling boring and get bored and just go and play something else. I have seen it happen so many times...

I saw people log in note the AFK campers and log out, they said they would play other games, they then lost interest in Eve, they were old players.

I said in this thread a number of times that I used to hunt the campers, but I cannot bait them when they are AFK, and I have suggested a AFK flag system linked to an OS, to remove the AFK part, if they are active then no issue on my part, its is purely the AFK part that is the issue.

A lot of you players just throw carebear insults around like confetti, you did it above, but it does not matter, because the trajectory of the game is that it is turning into a game where risk averse old players can sit there like AFK cloaky camping and strangle anyone trying to develop in the game in such a lame fashion, and people once they see this will just say nope and walk away and that is what I was pointing out to you, where will you lot be when the only people left are two sets of cloaky AFK losers hoping that the other one will do something so they can drop on them, will be funny and very deserved.

As for me, my second accounts expires 5th September and this account expires 5th October. My conclusion is that Eve is no longer worth my time as it has terrible game imbalances that reward lame play. So the only way to get it to change is to walk away and leave your lot staring at each other and not committing, because that is exactly what is going to happen from my experience of the people who AFK cloaky camp. Enjoy your weaponised boredom...

I agree with every single word there.
I dont mind the active blops hunters who roam, or camp a system for an hour or two. But when you have people logging in right after DT and stay in the system for weeks, to shutdown all operations it's silly.

I've seen lots of players quit the game due to this, and I dare to say that 1000 times more players have left the game due to the AFK Camping, than players have stayed and ejoyed that gameplay.

It's always been a problem, but with both the skill injectors and Aegis Sov it actually became a legit and even more widely used mechanic to reduce the ADM of a system and make it easier to take.

Damn, I realize I'm just repeating what Dracvlad said so well already. I'll shutup and rather +10 his post.

That 100% safety insult is just so old hat and pathetic, just used to mask peoples need for easy kills to bolster their own egos while using ultra lame tactics.

That is rather funny, I don't think I suggested anywhere the need for fair fights, nor did I suggest 100% safety, still projecting, what a lameass...

I am now a year older, gee wizz, well enjoy shooting Alpha clones, about your level

Your special... Keep it up, you have not added anything to the discussion just normal HTFU talking points like, wanting 100% safety, get back to hisec etc., if you call that discussing the issues then suggesting you are special is rather apt.

I'll just patiently wait for you to explain how people ratting in groups while in fleets and on comms together have anything to worry about with AFK cloakers.

Go on, take your time. I look forward to your educated, well thought out response.

Already explained that in this thread.

I did, with the AFK flag on an OS linked to the coming local one, but that's just me. So 100% safety is the way to reply to that, whoooooaaaaah so bad....