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old DEVs need to go - new DEVs, hired

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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#1 - 2016-08-31 10:40:12 UTC  |  Edited by: William Legrand-Marx
Fun fact #1: Boys and girls are getting so triggered in comments that they feel like attacking me instead of atacking the position I took. Good job!

Therefore I am issuing trigger warnings!


DEV team, the conceptual at least should change. In best case, all DEVs directly related to EVE concept life and creation who do not generate anything new and break through with new cutting edge ideas but are in the team for a long time are just free riders on the results of their old exploits which will eventually lead CCP to its end due to creative stagnation, which is promoted by a lot of biases inherent to a group with strong long-term ties to one another.

No matter how harsh it sounds but all ineffective devs be it conceptually or creatively should go no matter how harsh it sounds, new heads are needed because new needs exist.

Hire new DEVS in areas which require creativity and new ideas. Old artists will keep their old game, afraid of something new, slowly losing their base until it comes to an end. While an accountant can work for a company for ever, a lead designer, for example, should be changed unless he or she brings new breaking ideas to the concept or alters concept by bringing it to the next stage altogether.

What do you think?

I know CCP feels much connection with some DEVs but if DEVs bring nothing new, they should go no matter how well they are integrated within employees because it will be group think bias along all other imaginable biases which leads projects into pitfall. Same for CEO's if they are unable to generate anything new.

The concept of EVE haven't changed much since the very beginning, but the player base changed and people get tired of same.

It is important to remain unique, yet very experimental.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-08-31 10:42:33 UTC
I think hiring and firing decisions aren't up to us, and also, I think you should never ever try starting a business.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#3 - 2016-08-31 10:48:14 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I think hiring and firing decisions aren't up to us, and also, I think you should never ever try starting a business.


Did you ever start a business? Was it successful? Are you wealthy? If so, why are you playing EVE instead of working your ass off of business you started?

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-08-31 10:50:47 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I think hiring and firing decisions aren't up to us, and also, I think you should never ever try starting a business.


Did you ever start a business? Was it successful? Are you wealthy? If so, why are you playing EVE instead of working your ass off of business you started?


You heard it here first, folks. It's impossible to own a successful business and also play EVE Online.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#5 - 2016-08-31 10:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: William Legrand-Marx
Remiel Pollard wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I think hiring and firing decisions aren't up to us, and also, I think you should never ever try starting a business.


Did you ever start a business? Was it successful? Are you wealthy? If so, why are you playing EVE instead of working your ass off of business you started?


You heard it here first, folks. It's impossible to own a successful business and also play EVE Online.


I haven't seen any succesful businessman who has enough time to play games, unless it is a basement entrepreuneur that awaits bright future of his awesome idea. If a businessman has free time then they are using it wrong. Unless you own a gaming company and you play the game...

Now please get back on topic, this divergance is fiercly fruitless...

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Solecist Project
#6 - 2016-08-31 10:55:26 UTC

I think you need your space-ass kicked.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-08-31 10:56:31 UTC
Don't stop please! Bear

*reaching my hand towards the popcorns, holding my breath*
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#8 - 2016-08-31 10:56:53 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

I think you need your space-ass kicked.


If you have such fetishes then probably you should do it. Just post a link for a stream.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-08-31 10:58:14 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:

I haven't seen any succesful businessman who has enough time to play games,


And I've never seen a Wolf-Rayet star, but they still exist whether I've seen em or not. You are a population sample of one, your personal experience and limited perspective is no measure of reality. But if we're going on what we have and haven't seen, then I've never seen a successful business owner who has all the critical faculties of a mashed potato, which is why you should never start a business.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Solecist Project
#10 - 2016-08-31 11:02:53 UTC
I had a friend who was day trader.

Six months he worked.
Six months he took vacation.
Every year i knew him it was like this.

Your generalization about what a successfull businessman is is flawed ...
... and it shows you are none and don't know one.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#11 - 2016-08-31 11:03:06 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:

I haven't seen any succesful businessman who has enough time to play games,


And I've never seen a Wolf-Rayet star, but they still exist whether I've seen em or not. You are a population sample of one, your personal experience and limited perspective is no measure of reality. But if we're going on what we have and haven't seen, then I've never seen a successful business owner who has all the critical faculties of a mashed potato, which is why you should never start a business.


Again you are going of topic and again the absence of observation doesn't imply that there are or there are no observable units.
You haven't answered my question yet about your business experience! Also you are deviating more which is fine but first answer to my question, if you are so convinced you are in position to state what you did in first post.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#12 - 2016-08-31 11:05:41 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
I had a friend who was day trader.

Six months he worked.
Six months he took vacation.
Every year i knew him it was like this.

Your generalization about what a successfull businessman is is flawed ...
... and it shows you are none and don't know one.


Yes, and he wasn't playing online games I suppose, unless you can prove otherwise with some evidence. Also trading is not a business, it is a rip off economics. If you would like to discuss it I would gladly do so but please return to topic and share opinion on the issue or move along.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-08-31 11:10:14 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:

I haven't seen any succesful businessman who has enough time to play games,


And I've never seen a Wolf-Rayet star, but they still exist whether I've seen em or not. You are a population sample of one, your personal experience and limited perspective is no measure of reality. But if we're going on what we have and haven't seen, then I've never seen a successful business owner who has all the critical faculties of a mashed potato, which is why you should never start a business.


Again you are going of topic and again the absence of observation doesn't imply that there are or there are no observable units.
You haven't answered my question yet about your business experience! Also you are deviating more which is fine but first answer to my question, if you are so convinced you are in position to state what you did in first post.


You didn't ask me about my business experience. You made a bunch of asked-and-answered assumptions about business owners in general, which is what tells anyone with a modicum of common sense that you would be a terrible business owner/operator.

The MOST successful business owners, the best ones, are the ones that have a lot of free time, and can do things like buy boats and go golfing, etc etc. They don't have to spend all their time micromanaging their business because they can afford to hire people to do that. Your assumption that a successful business owner couldn't or wouldn't be playing video games is so off balance it wouldn't surprise me if you spat that nonsense out as a retaliatory measure to the fact that your idea is ****, and I said as much, and that hurt your paw wittle fee fees.

Well, mate, I don't really give a **** about your fee fees, and addressed your 'topic' in my very first post here. We don't make any hiring or firing decisions for CCP, and any discussion of it would be completely redundant and a general waste of time. The fact that you don't seem to get that or anything else regarding business owners is what tells me and anyone else with half a modicum of common sense that you would make a terrible one.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Solecist Project
#14 - 2016-08-31 11:13:11 UTC
Actually he was chatting all day in the national radio chatroom.
While doing his work.

Evidence for what? To counter your wrong generalization that lacks common sense?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... okay. ^_^


If you actually used your brain for a bit longer ...
... you'd think about how that hiring and firing devs comes at a non-trivial cost.

New devs have to be introduced to work principles, routine, people.
They have to learn the tools.
They have to learn what matters.

You're not wrong saying tnat new devs bring new ideas ...
... but tnat doesn't mean they're in any way better or more helpfull.


And I honestly don't see the point of this thread, except of course that you wanted your drivel to be heard.
In the end is this even more useless than the 373637836383th thread about suicide ganking.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2016-08-31 11:13:23 UTC
My god, you have absolutely not a single clue how a game development studio, a business or even the real world works. At all.

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The Conference Elite
The Conference
#16 - 2016-08-31 11:16:52 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The concept of EVE haven't changed much since the very beginning, but the player base changed and people get tired of same.

Before we discuss your insane solution to this "problem", can you please show us at least with some factual examples that this "problem" you try to solve actually exists?
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#17 - 2016-08-31 11:19:35 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:

I haven't seen any succesful businessman who has enough time to play games,


And I've never seen a Wolf-Rayet star, but they still exist whether I've seen em or not. You are a population sample of one, your personal experience and limited perspective is no measure of reality. But if we're going on what we have and haven't seen, then I've never seen a successful business owner who has all the critical faculties of a mashed potato, which is why you should never start a business.


Again you are going of topic and again the absence of observation doesn't imply that there are or there are no observable units.
You haven't answered my question yet about your business experience! Also you are deviating more which is fine but first answer to my question, if you are so convinced you are in position to state what you did in first post.


You didn't ask me about my business experience. You made a bunch of asked-and-answered assumptions about business owners in general, which is what tells anyone with a modicum of common sense that you would be a terrible business owner/operator.

The MOST successful business owners, the best ones, are the ones that have a lot of free time, and can do things like buy boats and go golfing, etc etc. They don't have to spend all their time micromanaging their business because they can afford to hire people to do that. Your assumption that a successful business owner couldn't or wouldn't be playing video games is so off balance it wouldn't surprise me if you spat that nonsense out as a retaliatory measure to the fact that your idea is ****, and I said as much, and that hurt your paw wittle fee fees.

Well, mate, I don't really give a **** about your fee fees, and addressed your 'topic' in my very first post here. We don't make any hiring or firing decisions for CCP, and any discussion of it would be completely redundant and a general waste of time. The fact that you don't seem to get that or anything else regarding business owners is what tells me and anyone else with half a modicum of common sense that you would make a terrible one.



"Did you ever start a business? Was it successful? Are you wealthy? If so, why are you playing EVE instead of working your ass off of business you started?" So this questions are not directed at you? hmm, kay...

Are you blind or got untreated ADHD?

Well writing that much seems like I am getting your tippy toes. Also, people as you say that have free time FYI play golf or travel ror other thousand things they do is part of business/pleasure mix because deals are made in toilets and sauna rooms not in a god damn video game. You seem to have superficial knowledge about it and therefore again deviating because we spoke about game as specified by you - "Eve online" which is not played by sucessful businesman because they do not have time for something that makes their free time a gaming pleasure and no benefit whatsoever.

So please answer my questions and then we will talk and do not divert from the topic hiding behind your prodigy knowledge of time management.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2016-08-31 11:20:07 UTC
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