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Hit PANIC button, have one of the mining ships light there 'this has all gone FUBAR' cyno modual (could be your drone trigger with target painter for rats or whatever) and laugh as 4+ FAXs and a few carriers drop on the gankers, or if your close to the Rorq with your mining ships, store the expensive ones, do your best to warp the pod and then wait for the PANIC to expire and mash that 'jump to friendly cyno' thing

Everyone has a laugh, high fives all round, someone deploys salvage drones and you go back to mining.


I don't see a problem. Sure lighting the cyno should take you out of the invulnerability effect, but if you have that ship specifically built for that purpose you should have it pretty well tanked and able to live long enough for atleast 1 ship to jump through that can light a secondary cyno if/when your mining ship dies.

Sure not everyone has this sort of back-up on demand, however if you have the infrastructure to hold space in null and be out mining in a belt with a Rorqual, then they should be present.

Also for those saying 'but having a standing fleet doing nothing whilst people mine is boring as hell'. I have a suggestion: ratting. Carrier ratting makes you a pretty decent sum, as does super and titan ratting. Normal ratting in sub-caps is also good and if your mining in null it's usually in a safe-ish pocket so ratters are also naturally going to be there so they can keep getting their ticks.

If your corp/alliance is too small for this sort of thing then yes this change sucks for you and for that i'm sorry, however there is nothing stopping you from searching out somewhere else, well nothing besides yourself anyways.

Saying all that I do not like the idea of having to siege in a belt with my Rorqual, however with sufficient cover I will. If not enough cover present the Rorqual pilot will hop into the new mining boosting BC and be with my miners and I'll just make do with less yield but zero risk to 2.4 bill+ hull. You just have to learn to adapt and be flexible.

Also Rorqual boost should be auto-repeat. I would want to kill myself if I have to go back every 2 minutes to reapply the boost whilst also micromanaging 7+ miners and hauler, it can be done but mining is already boring and annoying enough, adding another annoyance is just frigging stupid

Nah, they'd ALL be in warp before anything could possibly happen to them. Seen it too many times before.

... or park an AFK cloaker in system... I know.

Battlerorqs are a thing you know? Not "any roaming fleet" can even take one on and live to tell the tale.

Tip: Kill the drones. The Rorqual has a small drone bay, and less DPS than a solo Rattlesnake.

I could link a killmail of someone being extremely stupid too.

Does a killmail of someone getting a Navy Megathron CONCORDED prove that the Navythron is a bad ship? No, of course not. It does, however, provide evidence that it is not a suitable ship for illegal highsec aggression.

Does a killmail of a Charon ganked in Uedama prove that the Charon is a bad ship? No. It provides evidence that the Charon should not fly full of loot through dangerous systems without adequate scouting and a combat escort if the scouts detect threats.

The Rorqual will not be a ship to field in contested territory, nor to field without a combat escort on standby (perhaps a BLOPS gang your alliance is using to harrass ratters nearby). Simple, really.

But if you have a serious fleet mining op and the ability to mobilize nearby friendly ratters to defend it if hostiles show up - then you have an excellent situation to field a Rorqual and to reap the rewards that come with taking wisely considered risks.

The fact that you think a blops gang is a good counter drop to the standard roaming nano gang shows how completely out of touch you are with the nulsec meta. Stick to ganking in hisec like the pleb you are and let those of us that actually live in nulsec talk about these changes.

Not having the Rorq devblog already available already three questions about the core come to mind:

Will it affect the drones of the miningships?
Will it affect other Rorqs next to you too, so you can go invul several time in a row?

Will it be one cycle with one charge? Or could it be something like 3 charges of 2 minute cycles? So the miners have a chance to sneak out. One cycle leaves the attackers with just setting a timer and going afk for it.



About the numbers:

This change will make boosters way more common, so wouldn´t it be a good time to tune them down a bit? There should be an actual choice wether to try to bring the full 6 must haves ( 3 skirmish, 2 tank hp/resis, eccm) even for a small gang or if fewer are sufficient.

The tank ones and Evasive Maneuvers, esp all 4 comined, just are so strong they are mandatory.

Greetings

Yes these changes are a wholesale shake up and breaking of a lot of gameplay and mechanics and yes lot's of people are upset, as too how justified their complaints are is a matter of perspective

One point I would like some clarity on though is on implants, are the proposed changes are only affecting command implants?

I ask as there are implants that are used that dont strictly come under the heading of command / fleet implants but give effects that are being changed by these changes

For instance implants that alter a pilots ship speed, maneuvering, weapons, etc basically I'd love to hear from fozzie that implants that affect a pilot's ships or it's modules at a personal level are going to be altered

Cheers

Looks like I'm selling my Orca & extracting mining boosting skills, as well as the skills I trained to fly a Rorq. No way I'm going to put a big expensive target on grid for others to gank.

Funny how non-miners engaged in combat activities with a siege dred in a combat fleet can think there is any comparison to a rorqual in a belt with some mining barges.