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"making a well rounded setup." hmmm someone isn't into mining at all, you can't round out a retriever, you have one mid slot.

The thing can't tank a npc bs by itself. The only thing that protects it is numbers and dps from drones. Anything with a little bit of alpha is going to dunk everything on the field regardless of how you try to tank it.

That's not a bad train of thought. Have the panic button last its thirty seconds and burn out as it does now. However, if the roqual is sieged the panic button force cancels the siege and burns out the industrial core. Yes it would be expensive to replace the the indy core but a couple hundred million vs 2.5 billion I know which one I'd take. Especially if you can make your own indy cores. You could recoup the loss fairly quickly under non siege boosts if you didn't already have a back up stashed some where. This also aligns with the unsiege transition time fairly closely.

The original idea for the Rorqual was to be a ship that was like a mobile mining station. WHY DONT THEY DO THAT!!!. Yes put it out in space, yes make it stay in one spot while in indy core mode. BUT make it like a flying citadel... tethering and all. make it so it has a vulnerability timer when it goes in and out of indy core mode. make it so you have to have it on grid with the miners to get boosts. Then if you wanted to get really crazy give it citadel like defense options.

I am an industrialist who has 10 accounts. I have 1 rorqual pilot, 9 barge pilots, and several of my characters can fly a freighter. All of my characters can build capital ship parts. When I log into EVE, I go to work... and it is hard work. I sit down and I crank out a capital ship in about 10 hours of mining with 10 accounts active running that whole time. My room heats up to about 95 degrees from my graphics card and CPU (which are both CLC cooled) pumping heat into my room. There are times when I am sweating from mining, because it gets that hot. Some days, I feel like I'm literally in the salt mines over here.

I pour my heart into this profession that I love. I simply do not understand why it is imperative that off-grid boosting for the rorqual be taken away. Every hour, with 10 accounts and max rorqual boosts I can churn about 250-300m in minerals out. To put that into perspective, an afk ishtar running anomalies can make 60mil an hour easy, and with 10 accounts, can rackshaw up about 600mil isk in LIQUID isk. That is not mineral that has to be turned into something or shipped to its destination to be sold. That doesn't include index job costs, or production costs.

The fact is, I cant kill anyone with a mining laser. As hard as I try, they just dont let me activate on enemy ships. Perhaps if they did I could see where an on-grid boosting requirement would make sense. But this change really does not make sense. It seems to me like this is all motivated by the desire to have dank rorqual frags, and I can assure you if these changes go through my rorqual (and probably a lot of others as well) will be reprocessed and the parts used to make something else.

I'm not upset at the changes because my rorqual is going to die, to be honest I can build a new one in around 2 days plus build time, what frustrates me is that these changes are just going to make my job a lot harder. It will take me twice as long to do what I do now and it will be way more of a headache than I want to bother with. I already have to go mine up heavy water for my rorqual boosts. Now I am going to have produce ammo, monitor boosting effects, build the boosting charges, etc for my rorqual to boost with, while then subjecting it to extreme peril for no additional bonus than what I have now.

What is the actual impact of the changes that are recommended right now? Well, it's pretty simple. Everything that has been announced is only going to serve to make the job that I do even harder. Everyone I play with says to me repeatedly, "How can you do that... mining is so boring... I'd go crazy. I hate it. Mining almost made me quit the game" So I ask you, why? Why is this necessary? I already make less income per hour than most other activities in the game with a similar number of accounts, it just doesn't make any sense.

Oh, and for clarity, while all of the "income" math above is theoretical, I don't actually make that in liquid isk. Because most of what I do is steeply discounted to my corp, used to build large projects, or given away... Like my free T1 ship (of any hull size) program for my corporation. I'm not in this to make the ISK in the game. I'm in this to give my friends the materials they need to get back into the fight. In other words, I am a tried and true industrialist.

So, I ask you again, why do you insist on making this harder with no gain to an industrial pilot?


I have a few suggestions on how this can be done differently:

1. Remove industrial boosts from the game. They already offer no PVP advantage, and the changes to boosting is being balanced for a PVP purpose, not a PVE purpose. In their place do one of the following things:

A. Give us new skills for miners to train that focus on cycle time, efficiency of cap usage, and yield.
or
B. Roll the current maximum boosted amount calculations into the ship bonuses themselves.

2. If the Rorqual needs a new niche role to give it more flavor, give the rorqual a new hold, one for compressed minerals. Give the rorqual a new ability mineral compression , and a special hanger that has an exceptionally large volume but can accomodate only compressed minerals.

3. Remove industrial boosts from the game. Turn the porpoise, orca and rorqual into battlecruiser hull size, battleship hull size and capital hull size mining barges. Go big or go home.


Also, as cute as the PANIC button is, the PANIC button is basically just ULTIMATE ECM 2K16. I know how much Fozzie hates ECM. Why are we making ships invulnerable for set periods of time? Thats not exactly engaging gameplay.

Does this mean we have to actually manually activate the booster every 1 or 2 minutes when mining, It wont be continuous? What a pain that would be.

There is no defending bonuses, they are just bad, if you want to fly a booster cause you don't want to be in combat that is a poor excuse to maintain bonuses. Scouts, Covert probing warpins, logi, bombing, e-war there are many other things, trying to say we need bonuses because there aren't enough other things to do is very poor.

The passive bonuses for being in a fleet are minor and somewhat universal, the active links have been a balance issue for years and the best thing to do is remove them. They have little redeeming quality other than having extra skills to train which increases CCP's revenue and which is the same argument for not removing them and refunding the skillpoints which will reduce revenue.

While I enjoy the thought of a rorqual being forced into the belt. I think the mining boost change is pretty stupid. Giving them a weapons timer already stops them from docking. POSes are going away "soon." So, with a 1 minute timer + 1 minute cycle timer on your links. You've 2 minutes best case scenerio and 1 minute worst case (for you) that you cannot dock in an astrahouse/NPC station with a rorqual. That seems pretty well off to kill/bump it off the docking of whatever it is sat on. Sure, for a fortizar thats a pretty HUGE docking radius.

Maybe, make the Rorq have a specific AU range. So, some days your mining site is in range of your citadel(s). Other days it isn't and you either go without boosts or you warp into the site, use a safe, use an orca or whatever this new ore command ship will be.

I'd rather have a chance to kill a Rorqual, then to never see them ever used cause most wont risk a rorq everyday. Where they may if they have a random belt spawn outside of the AU range so they risk it that one day because of the "Well, its just this one day." instead of "Well **** this. I am just gonna sell this damn thing."

What's funny to me is that the Rorqual will still offer better mining boosts than any other ship, even without being in Industrial Core mode. Despite that, people who had to know their "hide in the POS shield" playstyle was on life support for several years are completely freaking out.

It is interesting to see that people will actually have to fly the Rorqual now. They'll have to push buttons more than once and stuff. The Horror! The Horror! The real impact of this is not that the Rorqual will actually be at risk now, but that it will actually require regular player input, making it harder to multibox the ship.

I know I have trained up a Rorqual booster, three Exhumer pilots, and a hauler/scout pilot. In the past, I could easily forget about the Rorqual pilot in his POS, and focus on watching three Exhumers, the hauler or scout, and intel channels. Now I have to pay more attention to another pilot.

As someone who has always relied on multiple characters, I'm noticing the subtle shift CCP has in place to make each pilot matter more and require more player input. I don't have a problem with it, but I am noticing it. It's most evident in the recent Carrier changes. In the past, I could undock three Carriers, drop sentries, assign drones, and establish remote repair chains with ease. Now, that it is all but impossible to multibox Carriers with any degree of efficiency. But flying a single Carrier is a much more fun and engaging play style. I did decide to sell off a few of my Carriers because of these changes, but on the whole it's a good change. As this design philosophy sneaks into more game play aspects, it may eventually cause me to unsubscribe a couple more accounts, but I think in the long run it will make Eve a better, more engaging game.