Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok before we start i havn't been ganked in empire :D however i was flying through Uedama and saw some poor sod losing his freighter. High sec ganking is a valid mechanic within eve and as we know, no where is safe in eve. The problem i see is there is no real risk for high sec ganker's, the use of cheap ships such as Catalysts etc to kill a freighter is ridiculous. Of course they will lose their ships to concord and you could argue that is the risk right there.

My suggestions for changing the mechanics:

Reduce the damage of the ship being used by 50% while in empire, this means to kill a freighter you would need to bring battlecrusiers or battleships in large numbers to kill it. The risk vs reward is balanced and players would have to pick targets of greater value in order to return the losses they have incurred.

Allow freighters to fit capital shield extenders / active shield mods to tank the incoming damage, ofc this would be overpowered and penalties would have to included. For every mid slot taken the ships cargo hold (m3) is reduce by 10%.

Actively killing another pilot within high sec results in a cool down of 12 hours, this is reduced depending on the level of sec status of said system. e.g 1.0 sec = 12 hours / 0.5 sec = 6 hours.

If you are attacked by another pilot in empire, request concord to respond faster, this would mean paying concord on the spot.
A window would appear like a convo requesting concord to respond and you would have to pay, payment levels depend on the size / make of the ship e.g a freighter would have to pay 150mil.

I know i will get alot of flak for this but i do feel this is an area that must be addressed by CCP. These are just ideas i have had and i am sure others will have better idea's.

You never ganked.
You never have been ganked.

You have no ground to speak on, as you lack the knowledge to know how it works.


/thread.

There's no problem here and no need for any of your proposed fixes. Ganking is all about cost vs reward, and there are already plenty of ways players can skew the cost against the ganker if they're smart. Many people use webbing alts, if you make your webbing alt a Blackbird you can jam the gankers and make it so they can't gank you.

Heck if you ever want to see someone pulling their hair out in frustration train into a Falcon and sit on the Uedama gate for an evening, jamming anyone who goes flashy. Personally I don't have the patience, but some friends of mine have done it and it generally doesn't take long before the gankers are going after you over all the Freighters.

You can also pull something similar with a Logi ship. My favorite was probably the guy who kept repping the Freighter when the gankers were off grid but in such a way that it looked like they were making progress. They wised up eventually but not before wasting a *lot* of ships trying to kill this guy as the Oneiros pilot just sat there laughing his engines off.

Another freighter thread.

90% of EvE works the following way, including freighters - someone makes a mistake, and there's someone around and paying attention that has done the preparation to capitalize on it. The best and most efficient way to 'win' against gankers is to provide them no easy targets. If freighter pilots were half as organized as the gankers, they wouldn't let their fellow freighters to be ganked.

I used to gank. Know what would grind my gears? When the entire region is in Skiffs. I blops. Know what grinds my gears? Everyone is docked up. Similar analogies can be drawn to every aspect of EvE, weather it is corp infiltration or market games - someone has to make a mistake first. This is what makes it balanced, and what makes it EvE - players determine their own outcomes. It would be more fair to say that freighters let themselves be ganked, not freighters are ganked. The agent ultimately responsible is the freighter pilot, not the rapscallions in some catalysts.

Stop making mistakes, ye freighters.

OP: "This is a totally valid mechanic that will be balanced after just one more nerf!"

Ganking in high sec has been nerfed time, upon time, upon time, again.
To the point where actual usage of cheap ships such as Catalysts etc to kill a freighter have become an artform.

If you did witness such a thing, you should be awestruck and amazed rather than calling for yet another nerf.

That's how you lose a freighter in high sec.

++ Freighter Loss EX.U ++

Most problems can be solved if you use a scout in notorious ganking Systems and don't fly afk. These Catalists and Brutixes doesn't spawn from nowhere, isn't it? ;)

There is a call for a ganking focus group.
I mailed the respective csm; no response.

I have no idea how it works ...
... but i guess everyone wants to be a part of it!

I know this will fall of deaf ears but I know many players, and friends IRL who have left this game because Hi Sec ganking has gone from the exception that makes the game more interesting to the main gameplay for many Alliances that pushing many to just leave due to the hassle.

I fully understand when Freighters are carrying 3+Bil or JFs 5+Bil but something is wrong when non-war-dec'd empty freighters and JFs are being ganked in Hi Sec just to make the gankers KB look good.

As well, I started a test alt awhile back and within just a few days CODE tried to gank that character just outside of a starter system several times while I was still on trial. Ten years ago when I started this game that never happened once in six months during my travels over many different Regions, until I decided to go to Low Sec.

I realize CCP supposed to have done a study to validate that type of gameplay actually makes players want to stick around, but that seems about as valid as you get more Flies with vinegar.

Anybody with any sense knows this game bas been at least stagnating in recent years in regard to actual new players and I would suggest this is part of the reason, along with the flawed sense that new players need to catch up with vets in regard to SP

And we don't know people who have quit because of nerfs to ganking? The game is stagnating recently...but when ganking was easier it grew in subscriptions every year.

Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.