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You mean like freighter ganking in high sec?? That is a whole lot of reward for how much risk?? You're right, that's a one off situation. What about minor ganking like code does... that's just a ton of risk right?? OK, admittedly that's pretty salty but, it was not aimed at you...rather at the assertion, the notion that Eve is somehow fair when it comes to risk versus reward. It might be balanced from the perspective of the Dev's, it might be balanced with respect to the folks who love pvp but, it's just not balance for anyone who does pve activities. Everything is tilted toward the hunter and if you don't like it or have anything at all to say against it, you need to HTFU carebear, this is the way it is. It's a pvp game and you need to get used to it. Well, if that's truly the case, why bother with calling it a sandbox? Why bother with an economy, why bother with any pve at all? I mean come on, if you want all pvp all the time stop letting me believe I can play this game the way I want and just remove pve. It would save a lot of time and effort...for everyone!!

Anyone? Anyone, Bueller...Ferris Bueller?

Well, with respect to that last part, it was not criticism unless you count the constant insults that the carebears have to endure from the HTFU crowd. It was a simple question, and one that I posed as well. If you really want pvp all the time then, why not just get rid of pve? It's a reasonable question and one that maybe you should consider...you might actually like it better.

I'd agree with that first part for everything except mining boosts. Mining boosts don't do any harm, and they'll have to be used in-belt or in-site as it is, so why bother with a weapons timer? Granted, it will take an orca at least 60 seconds to warp back to a station or gate anyway, so it's probably a moot point.

For the ammo, I'd like CCP to actually say what the reason is. It's much easier to accept a quirk when the reason for that quirk is explained. Hence the reason I asked "Why". I like details

Looking forward to post 2 where CCP reveal now they will encourage pilots to fly orcas and rorquals into the belts. Will they address the issues of these ships being slow, fat targets yielding easy killmails for lazy hunters?

The PANIC button sounds nice for folks living in nullsec. Buy time for attackers and defenders to rally their fleets while the rorq sits there waiting for a siege cycle to complete?

I wonder how the requirement for command ships to be on-grid will alter incursion completion times?

I'm going to resub mine. really.

My ASS DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111eleven

I won't lobotomize myself with that pile of pooh for training 6 months of warfare skills that get KNOBBH-graded to rank 1 skills.

I dedicated an account with years of training so i can provide boost for my PVE and PVP activities because of the passive skill.

Some newbies unwilling to commit to such investment whines and CCP nerfs fleet boosting?

I do not know how such changes are going to affect others but i am definitely going to extract my SP and unsub my booster account when such changes are applied because I did not train my character for this kind of gameplay.
(Also, refund my SP please)

Such changes are not only killing PVE and it's also killing solo and small gang PVP.

Finally, I would hope CCP to consider are such changes going to increase or decrease subscriptions?

Because we as players, would love to see more subscriptions in Eve Online so we can have a larger community and more content. Personally, i think AFK cloaking is a bigger issue and should be resolved as soon as possible.

Thank you CCP.

So, just to clarify : as a small time miner, chilling in the belt with my alt, all I can expect from this change is less yield, less shield, and a bunch of useless SP in Leadership, right ?
Not the "I quit" change, of course, but I'm not really wild about it either.

Looks good. Glad that the modules for one type are being condensed to one, and that there's a limit of 2 per ship...that should improve command ship's abilities in combat by freeing up an extra high slot.

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Very disappointed that Supers are not also getting the wormhole effect generators as was initially discussed. Perhaps they should still get them, but have a smaller effect than titans.

Supers need to get a higher bonus than normal carriers (and perhaps more command mods too)

I'd like to see a group of command modules that improve the fleet's agility/align time and warp speed. This is critical for mass fleet movements, especially for battleships.

( TL;DR - if skill requirements are lowered, then we should get the difference refunded, if nothing else. This should pretty much be a given )

Guys and gals raising fists, think first what REALLY bothers you.

Let me put the skills into groups.
A) Fleet skills ( Leadership, Wing command, Fleet Command )
B) Basic boost skills (Armored Warfare etc., now known as "Command" instead of Warfare, plus Mining Foreman)
C) Specialist boost skills (All Warfare Specialist)
D) being the single Warfare Link specialist.

Group B, which you have trained to 5, gives you now a whopping 50% duration to any applicable boost you trained for. Not shabby.

Group C, which you trained for too if you had a boosting alt sitting somewhere in space, you surely trained to 4 at least. 5 being reasonable for the tech 2 links and the mindlink implant itself. This doesn't seem to change. Granted, I didn't look the math yet if we turn out even, but starting with a higher base means everyone is getting a substantial increase once they start to get boosts. Also, EVERYONE is affected. So who cares about less.

In all honesty, what are you complaining about? That you have to invest a few more skillpoints in making an actual combat pilot which you actually have to interact with? Don't be ridiculous. Try it, for Slippery Pete's sake, just give it a chance in the field and see how it plays. Who knows, you might even have something horrible like fun totally unheard of.

Yet we have two things left, at which point I can understand the gritted teeth;

Skill D is something a dedicated booster pilot certainly trained too, and seeing the overall effectiveness going away doesn't look so great, especially if you don't plan on reloading often to bounce around buffs. It all stands and falls with the item requirements still being tacked on the skill or not.

Group A sticks out like a sore thumb. These are tied to range. But nowhere is listed if they still are required to increase legal squad and wing sizes and numbers. If they don't, then the training requirement for them should be reduced and the difference being refunded. This is the only valid refund I can see happen.

If those skills remain pure range, then they need a buff up front. It's also strange to have higher skills give less range. I'd reverse and buff it.
5% range per level of leadership
7% range per level of wing command
10% range per level of fleet command.

This would increase the maximum base range of 29,25km to 37,96km which definitely makes a difference and rewards people who decide to skill higher into it.

Now, if you complain about having your purrdy boosting closet alt "useless" then I really suggest you just try it out.
If not, then...
... nobody stops you from grabbing skill injectors, siphoning skills from that character and reskilling the character, or another alt, or selling the injectors off for ISK.
... nobody stops you from cancelling the account, if you only had it for the booster account, which I honestly doubt.
... nobody stops you from trying out the system first. There will be sisi, so go there and test it. Organize events. It affects many, ths many want to have a look at it. Anyhow, manually multiboxing combat characters isn't hard. Pick up the challenge and try it. You might feel the rush again.

If you still feel like you need to complain because CCP took your precious time and effort bla bla bla... come on now, you had fun while it lasted for so many years. Your return of investment due paid off. You all knew how cheesy this was. You all knew how pathetic offgrid boosting was as a system. You all knew the day would come when CCP brings the hammer down on it. Off-grid remote assists of carrier fighters was just as broken, and it was eventually fixed. Stop trying to pretend as if you didn't know the day would come where offgrid boosts would drop. Just stop it. It's cringeworthy.

Now let's go for some real concerns;
It's not always that one character in system with an active booster. A good number of FCs rely on their passive boosts, and in case they're down, backups are on the field to be put into booster role. As far as I witnessed, having a dedicated passive booster per wing isn't unheard of. So those passive boosts are cut down, but they're cut for everyone, leveling the playing field.
Instead we move into the territory of active, on grid, powerful boosts. Of which there certainly will be more than one ship.

The real question here is, how combat effective these ships will remain once they go for the boosting role. If it's a nobrainer to add one support slot per command-worthy ship, and have many of them instead of one, then you actually gain. You don't need that lonely alt pilot in system any more. The boosts are being put right into the field. Put to characters you'd already be playing. With a decreased barrier of entry, means it's easier to get those people up to par.

As far as miners go, just wait on the next devblog and stop panicking.

Not sure if you are old enough to remember learning skills, but we did get a complete refund when that system was overhauled. So much for not getting anything back. On top of that, I'm fairly positive this was not the only occasion when we received SP back. Sure, these skills were removed instead of just changed, but we're talking about reduced requirements here which definitely puts a hole in those skills which needs to be addressed.

Sorry, but if you made a boosting alt just for yourself instead of making another miner, you only gimped yourself.