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Please take your hands off my faithful rorqual, she does not need to be another failed content generator for you to :shobon: about.

On a nearly unrelated tangent:

Since we're going to remove skills that just let you have more numbers of people in a fleet, perhaps we could do a similar thing with other skills? Corp Management (number of members) for instance? Maybe even the Trade (buy/sell order limits) or contracting skills too?

They seem like such silly and arbitrary limits. They could be replaced with other relevant skills that add to the gameplay instead of becoming mandatory just to participate in the game. Much like the learning skills of old, there are many skills that need their own version of Tiericide.

I agree, scripts would be better than ammo. Highslot scripts, it should be a thing!

Marauders activating bastion mode aren't necessarily engaged in PVP, either, but they still get a weapons timer (whether they're PVPing, ratting, or hell... tractoring/salvaging).

OK First off off grid boosts needed nerfed - they were op.

However have a number of problems with this as suggested@

Firstly the command processors becoming rigs is a nerf to Command ships - instead of the present up to 7 links per ship they get 4 and have to be ongrid. (they can only fit 2 rigs)
A T1 BC can now get the same number ie 4 (links - it has 3 rig slots to T2s 2) if not the same effect multipliers.
Also notice from the figures given that you have not only nerfed range (needed - ongrid is good) but also amount of boost and duration (not good).

Your figures state for example:
Max skirmish boosts will be Reduces signature radius -32.34% at present at a range of 50km for 1 min - I am presently sitting my booster in a Slepneir getting - 34.5% sig radius reduction with much longer duration/range.
Similarely Armored Warfare passive defence is being nerfed from system wide enduring boost of 25.88% to short range short timed 21.56%

As I said there does need to be some work done to remove off grid boosts (and I say that from someone who flys boosts a lot) but Nerfing range, duration and effect for something that people have put a lot of skill points and time into needs much more thought.
As well as making Fleet command Skill needed to get max boost range skills from something that lets face it was only needed by FC's for large alliances where fleets approach the max number of players to something more needed as a 12x skill is not cool.

My suggestion would be:
1) Make all boosts on grid - 50-70km range or so with skills might work. Needs to be large enough to allow logistics to be at range and still get boosts.

2) Command Ships need to at least be able to fit 3 links as a base possibly with 3 Rig slots to allow some variations on the present max multi link ships obviously fitting should be nerfed by the command processors as presently to nerf max tank etc.

3) Links should definately NOT be nerfed in all 3 of range, duration and amount.
Yes make gameplay more active and ongrid but the boosts should be increased over the present amounts with max skills - oh and all this is gonna cost you in ammo costs that you don't have now -

4) Leadership skills need some love in this - after all why would someone train them now apart for boosting toons. Small gangs and kitchen sink fleets (which may presently may not have dedicated command ships of any sort) just got significantly nerfed as the passive bonuses do not apply - so this favours larger more organised fleets who lets face it already have max leadership skills/ppl - and makes small gangs much more vulnerable unless they bring command ships etc. I think some sort of balance is required in this perhaps making leadership 5 necessary for squad command, and providing some sort of low level boost as at present.

TBH i think it will be hard to not present this as a nerf to high skill players - yes they do get perhaps better gameplay but for much less reward - as someone who has nearly 2 years of skill training invested in leadership between my toons this needs much more work and as they say the devil is in the detail - much more of which is needed and needs to be tweaked.

I hope this is constructive

Its because Fozzie hates off grid boosts with a passion and want to turn Rorquals into loot pinatas to pad killboards. For the last 3 yrs, at Eve Down Under, players have been saying that this is a bad idea to CCP Mimic,

But as usual its a case of 'Adapt or wait til CCP fixes it.' The feedback will be as usual ignored in this thread, then the SISI feedback will be also ignored, the face to face feedback at Eve-Vegas/EDU will also be ignored and finally the feedback will be yet again ignored on release.

It will be another case of Fozzie "You can have Sov or you can have fun"

Will it be possible to light the boosts while in warp?

RV

Given that they combined two of the shield and armor links into one module, for the most part you are on an equal footing now. You really only need to make a tough choice if you are boosting skirmish links under the new system.

To Fozzie, Team Fiveo, and CCP in general. Please, if you are going to screw over the non-pvp community like this, why not just drop the pre-text of having any pve at all? Just save us all the time and be rid of the carebears altogether? They're scum-bags anyway and they won't be missed...nothing of value will be lost (as I've heard time and again). So why not just get rid of mining, exploration, and any other non-pvp activity. Just call it a day and get rid of us altogether, why not?

I'm sure you would all be overjoyed to have us gone anyway. The market scammers would be a little put out but it's a small price to pay to be rid of the filth that is carebears. You obviously don't need them anyway, you're never going to listen to them either so, why not just be rid of this part of the game? You don't actually need an economy, just seed ships into the game, get rid of all the ice belts, roids, blueprints, PI, and exploration. In fact, just get rid of High sec altogether. Wouldn't that just be a pvp paradise?

So, what do you say Fozzie? It sure would save me the time of wasting my breath trying to stand up for non-pvp activities. I'm sure you'd be happy to not even have to skip over these posts like you always seem to do anyway. What do you say, rid the game of all those scum-bag, coward, worthless, gutless, spineless, pansies and move on with the people you want (and everybody else wants) in this game. I think it would be an amazing game without us constantly ruining for you!!!! This is fully serious, I'd just like to have a real answer instead of being insulted, intimidated, humiliated, and outright ignored.

Very much this!!!! The hard-core pvper's can jack-off to their killboards because they won't have anymore mining barges, freighters, or indy's mucking up their stats.

I'd like to introduce you to the bastion, siege, and triage modules, the cynosural field generator, and the doomsday device. All of which have severe penalties to movement when activated, thus forcing you to commit to your activity of choice for at least a few minutes. They all have amazing capabilities while the module is active, and are fairly meh otherwise.



I'll file this under the "If you change my gameplay in ANY way that I view as negative, you're KILLING my hopes and dreams and all desire to play the game. WAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!" section. Thanks for your constructive and valuable criticism. Especially since mining and mining links are the CORE gameplay for ALL non-pvp in the game. And the barbaric concept of wanting balance and parity for all gameplay mechanics is pure applesauce! Why shouldn't people who don't particularly want to engage in pvp while undocked be completely immune to all pvp activities? /sarcasm through the same absurdity you used