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Should i train for capitals on my main or on an alt?
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Lillith Dragonia
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-08-30 00:27:39 UTC
Hello

Since recently i want to get into capitals, I would like to fly dread's, carriers and FA's.

I am not sure wether it's better to train for capitals on my main or on an alt though. I checked and because i only started playing last year i don't have that many SP, so if i make an alt, the training time will roughly be the same.

If i train for them on an alt i would probably keep my main account to sub-capitals and cyno's.

Now my main problem is paying for the accounts wich is also why i am still thinking about it. I am just a student so it's not that easy to keep 2 eve accounts payed every month.

Does anyone on here have any suggestions?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-08-30 00:31:16 UTC
An extra eve account is the equivalent of 1 nice bottle of wine or 8 cans of good Stout per month.
I was an art student (I have the children and drinking problem to prove it) so I know it's doable.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#3 - 2016-08-30 00:38:45 UTC
Lillith Dragonia wrote:
Does anyone on here have any suggestions?


I went down the SubCaps on Main, Alt account training for Caps route. Mind you, the alt has kind of topped out at Black Ops battleships for the moment. Just a few things to knock over before starting on that oh so joyous Advanced Spaceship Command V, Capital Ships skillplan.

IMHO: If you're going to fly any ship with a Jump Drive, you kind of *need* two accounts. You won't always have someone around you can trust to light you that badly needed Cyno.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#4 - 2016-08-30 00:42:18 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
An extra eve account is the equivalent of 1 nice bottle of wine or 8 cans of good Stout per month.
I was an art student (I have the children and drinking problem to prove it) so I know it's doable.



As an Arts student you shouldn't have known what a good bottle of wine is :) Good wine comes in silver bags :)

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2016-08-30 01:09:51 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
An extra eve account is the equivalent of 1 nice bottle of wine or 8 cans of good Stout per month.
I was an art student (I have the children and drinking problem to prove it) so I know it's doable.

As an Arts student you shouldn't have known what a good bottle of wine is :) Good wine comes in silver bags :)

No. It is possible.

Being a "kept man" can have quite a few perks if you know how to keep an older man/woman happy. Blink

How did you Veterans start?
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#6 - 2016-08-30 01:35:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Raiz Nhell
ShahFluffers wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
An extra eve account is the equivalent of 1 nice bottle of wine or 8 cans of good Stout per month.
I was an art student (I have the children and drinking problem to prove it) so I know it's doable.

As an Arts student you shouldn't have known what a good bottle of wine is :) Good wine comes in silver bags :)

No. It is possible.

Being a "kept man" can have quite a few perks if you know how to keep an older man/woman happy. Blink



Apparently I went through Uni on "hard mode". But I gained the ability to homebrew, so that's a decent tradeoff...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2016-08-30 01:38:08 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
An extra eve account is the equivalent of 1 nice bottle of wine or 8 cans of good Stout per month.
I was an art student (I have the children and drinking problem to prove it) so I know it's doable.



As an Arts student you shouldn't have known what a good bottle of wine is :) Good wine comes in silver bags :)

Well of course they wouldn't, study of the drunken pursuit of womenArt on the other hand is a different story altogether.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#8 - 2016-08-30 01:54:17 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
An extra eve account is the equivalent of 1 nice bottle of wine or 8 cans of good Stout per month.
I was an art student (I have the children and drinking problem to prove it) so I know it's doable.



As an Arts student you shouldn't have known what a good bottle of wine is :) Good wine comes in silver bags :)

Well of course they wouldn't, study of the drunken pursuit of womenArt on the other hand is a different story altogether.



I did Computer Science, women were a foreign and confusing thing that distracted me from the drunken pursuit of code...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2016-08-30 04:01:57 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
An extra eve account is the equivalent of 1 nice bottle of wine or 8 cans of good Stout per month.
I was an art student (I have the children and drinking problem to prove it) so I know it's doable.



As an Arts student you shouldn't have known what a good bottle of wine is :) Good wine comes in silver bags :)

Well of course they wouldn't, study of the drunken pursuit of womenArt on the other hand is a different story altogether.



I did Computer Science, women were a foreign and confusing thing that distracted me from the drunken pursuit of code...

Now the question is... how distracted did you get?

How did you Veterans start?
Reinhardt Kreiss
TetraVaal Tactical Group
#10 - 2016-08-30 05:41:25 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
women were a foreign and confusing thing that distracted me


That's not limited to studying Computer Science.
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#11 - 2016-08-30 06:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Raiz Nhell
ShahFluffers wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
An extra eve account is the equivalent of 1 nice bottle of wine or 8 cans of good Stout per month.
I was an art student (I have the children and drinking problem to prove it) so I know it's doable.



As an Arts student you shouldn't have known what a good bottle of wine is :) Good wine comes in silver bags :)

Well of course they wouldn't, study of the drunken pursuit of womenArt on the other hand is a different story altogether.



I did Computer Science, women were a foreign and confusing thing that distracted me from the drunken pursuit of code...

Now the question is... how distracted did you get?


Bad enough to fail a year and a half...

But DAMN did I enjoyed it :)

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2016-08-30 12:45:29 UTC
Alt.

Caps are a huge sp sink.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Memphis Baas
#13 - 2016-08-30 13:31:23 UTC
Two characters (advantages and disadvantages):

- Takes half as long. You need approx 60 mil SP for a wide variety of subcaps, and you need approx 60-80 mil SP for the capitals you listed. Without skill injectors that's 3 years each.

- You have to train the support skills and a few duplicate ships and weapons skills, twice (once on each character). Because you're making combat characters, so you cannot skimp on armor, shields, rigs, navigation, energy, etc.

- You have the subcaps alt available as a cyno beacon to move your capital ship around if needed.

- You're paying two subscriptions instead of one.

- Ceasefire: you can log in the cap ships only when needed, otherwise play with the (possibly neutral or unknown) subcap alt.
Serene Repose
#14 - 2016-08-30 15:36:32 UTC
Mainly your alt, or alternatively your main. Cool

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Lillith Dragonia
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-08-30 15:57:32 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Two characters (advantages and disadvantages):

- Takes half as long. You need approx 60 mil SP for a wide variety of subcaps, and you need approx 60-80 mil SP for the capitals you listed. Without skill injectors that's 3 years each.

- You have to train the support skills and a few duplicate ships and weapons skills, twice (once on each character). Because you're making combat characters, so you cannot skimp on armor, shields, rigs, navigation, energy, etc.

- You have the subcaps alt available as a cyno beacon to move your capital ship around if needed.

- You're paying two subscriptions instead of one.

- Ceasefire: you can log in the cap ships only when needed, otherwise play with the (possibly neutral or unknown) subcap alt.

3 years for every capital? Damn, knew it was a long time but not that long xD.
Judaa K'Marr
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#16 - 2016-08-30 16:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Judaa K'Marr
Carrier on main, dread on alt. The dread alt can run incursions to pay for itself while in training.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#17 - 2016-08-30 21:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Lillith Dragonia wrote:
Hello

Since recently i want to get into capitals, I would like to fly dread's, carriers and FA's.

I am not sure wether it's better to train for capitals on my main or on an alt though. I checked and because i only started playing last year i don't have that many SP, so if i make an alt, the training time will roughly be the same.

If i train for them on an alt i would probably keep my main account to sub-capitals and cyno's.

Now my main problem is paying for the accounts wich is also why i am still thinking about it. I am just a student so it's not that easy to keep 2 eve accounts payed every month.

Does anyone on here have any suggestions?

Look at the training time multipliers on capital ship and module skills. That should answer your question.
Swoop McFly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-08-30 22:42:25 UTC
Subcaps on main, caps on alt.

It gives you the option to go on fleets with your subcap main and still bring in a cap if a fight escalates.

Also maxing out capital skills takes a loooong time and is time you can't use for improving your subcap skills.

My capital alt is at 40mil SP and can fly a FAX, a Carrier and a Dread but has many of the bigger cap skills (e.g. the racial carrier/dread skills) at IV. Maxing those skills out will easily take another year of training and would only improve those 3 (rarely used*) ships.


*at least in Horde
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#19 - 2016-08-31 00:04:59 UTC
I have an alt with 36 million less skill points than me. I consider my alt to be better skilled.

Biggest difference: other than a freighter, my alt has no capital skills. I can pilot all but titans.

I also have a capital alt with 8 million less skill points than me. My alt is a better capital pilot. This is my capital pilot, though he can't pilot dreads, he's a specialist in all the others: all freighters, all jump freighter, all force auxiliaries, all carriers, Orca, Rorqual.

When deciding for yourself, look at the training time for T2 capital modules.