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They are still useful and are still used for supporting your fleet. So why would there be any refund?

Plus all the begging for an SP refund is a moot point as you can just extract and sell the skills.

Finally \o/

Some feedback on the devblog.

- Removing the bonuses you get from skills does not feel well. By all means, effective boosting and unlocking some effects should only be viable through using the proper setups but there are many situations where you can't fit a traditional boosting ship in but still want to provide some bonus to a fleet (or rather, gang) with the SP investment you have done. I assume this has been sacrificed to make the new boosting system mechanically possible.

- I was hoping to see these modules being available (unbonused) for all ships as the selection of destroyer, battlecruiser and capitals doesn't cover all types of gangs.

- The visual effects still look very, very similar. Also it would be nicer if you could also spot which type of ammunition is running.


- Suspect timer: The same rules that are in effect for neutral logistics should apply. If not you have someone sitting on a war target fleet in HS providing a lot of assistance and you can do little about it.

im probably going to catch a fair amount of flak for this but id like to be the voice of the probably unpopular opinion that theses changes are not thought through.
(also please excuse my possibly bad enlgish)

at the moment , there is nothing wrong with links , everyone in the game can use them equally . if you have the isk to plex an alt or the rl money , for links , anyone can do it and use them equally .

right , now theres people saying , oh wow , why do i need to have an alt to be on par with the bois that have link alts ? thats unfair.

well . you need alts for everything in this game , the newest launcher is even designed to make launching alts easier . you cant really mine without having an army of mining alts (if you want to be on par with the people that have mining alts), you cant use supers effectively unless you have alts sitting in them , some lowsec alliances only recruit people with capital alts , people camp gates with re sebo alts etc etc ... the entire alt argument is ******** in a game like eve .
so, you want to have links ? get someone with a links alt . not really a big deal in my opinion.

2nd , i obviously have no clue how the new links ships are gonna be flown on a combat grid . but to me it seems as if the new mechanic gives even more power to the blob. eve is a game of n+1 , if you have more people , you are stronger . now forcing links on grid means that 2 equally skilled fleets , both having their links on grid and, depending on how the ships are gonna be flown , also in dps range of each other . now one of the fleets is actually a bit bigger , which is already an advantage , but to me it seems that the bigger fleet will not only have an easier time keeping their links alive , but also killing the enemy links ship which is going to put them at an even bigger disadvantage as they already are .

i might be wrong with everything i am saying , maybe i dont see the big picture .
i also didnt read every single comment and dont know if my concerns have already been voiced by someone else.

We won't know until November.

Look guys-

The intent seems to be to force mining to be a more interactive thing. I mean, CCP heard the miners and is giving them a bump limit. Now, it looks like they've heard CODE and others that advocate making mining more active and not AFK ISK farming.

These changes will happen all the time. I really don't have an issue with the idea as long as CCP also hears that the mining ships and such need their ships to be able to defend themselves. Flying a cheap disposable destroyer up, vaporizing a mining ship then losing it in some kind of cosmic suicide pact is not realistic at all. Miners should be able to fight as well and the rats should be almost as brutal as the players.

Mining SHOULD be a badge of honor, not derision. Miners should embrace these changes and the boosters for miners should actually charge for the service, a percent of the take, etc. But ORCA's, Rorq's etc. should be able to fend off 1-2 groups of sub caps all day long. Drop in a fleet of a half dozen or more ships, then it should be a reasonable fight.

Making mining active should make the game more fun, not less. Give it a chance and see what happens. If it is completely unworkable then it likely won't live long. However, what I think you'll find is that you'll have to figure out all the wrinkles and costs, but eventually it will re-balance out and need only some tweaking to make it work right.

There has to be balance in all things guys. We just need to make sure that CCP follows through and give the miners the ability to defend themselves so the current gank mechanics can be understood for being as bad as off grid boosts.

a. Because previously they provided a bonus for any and every FC running a fleet. Now they aren't gonna do jack unless FC wants to hop in a boost ship and put a target on his forehead in every engagement.

b. Saying we can "extract them" is just accepting the fact that its just a way for CCP to squeeze more money out of ppl by giving them a reason to buy extractors just to get use out of the SP that they already spent monthly fee's on in order to train. It's like selling someone a car then telling them gas isn't gonna be sold for that car anymore and it can only be driven on specific roads unless they buy a new special upgrade. It's essentially bait and switch.

Nice change over all.

I am missing some information about how this will interact with crimewatch. Will it be possible to boost people with a limited engagement timer or criminal timer without going suspect or getting CONCORDED as well?

So your next request is that only 2 ships be allowed in a novice plex at a time... well that kinda defeats the whole point of FACTION WARFARE so I guess we're just gonna have to create "EVE BATTLEGROUNDS" the place where all risk adverse cry babies can go to get a fair fight. Special combat plexes w 2 ship limits and no boosts or implants allowed....

Right now it is useless speculation but I wonder if the boost would persist when you drop fleet. Otherwise I would come with two boosters with separate fleets. Booster A fires, fleet changes to Booster B. Would that be still considered stacking?

Also, I wonder if you could overheat the module for some extra boost.

No, this is how skill changes have always been handled. If the skill is still useful in any capacity then you don't get a refund. If the skill is removed completely, only then you will get a refund.

When the Advanced Ship Construction skills where nerfed to 1% PE per level (so almost useless), no SP refund was given.

When mining barge was removed as a pre req for the Orca, no SP refund was given.

I don't see why this scenario should be made an exception. Plus back then there was no option of extracting the SP.