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The problem w reducing the time to that sort of level would be that it would mean the total elimination of frigates getting any kind of boost in places like novice FW plexes. At least w a 2 minute timer a frig pilot can get his boost then warp into the plex and have a limited amount of time boosted. With a 30 second time the boost would be gone before you even managed to land in the plex. Ofc a t1 boost frig would solve this but that's starting a slide down a particularly slippery slope. Are we gonna start creating new ships from scratch every time a gameplay mechanic changes? It would also mean you can forget about any kind of kite meta because unless your boost ship is attached to your hip and able to keep up with you, your bonuses are gonna drop before you have a chance to get back into boost range.

So many salty tears in this thread.

Cry me a river...

Why is boosts on frigates in novice plexes a bad thing? If I can put a boost ship in a small plex and provide boosts to my dessi fleet why can't my booster pilot do something to assist my frig gang? Is he supposed to sit around and wait till we ship up?

He's one of these "solo" pilots that always have boosts + at least 10 alts on standby in case things turn out bad.

Why would I? I don't even remember the last time I went to Provi for hotdropping.
I'm not one of the Horrible Third Party losers.

"you can only quote 5 times in a single post"
Oh right, there was something...

>> Aliana Heartborne: Guess im done playing in november then. ah well, atleast i got to help new miners for 3 years before CCP wanted to ruin it, thanks.
First, you should note the line saying;
"Blog two will go into detail on the changes to Mining Foreman gameplay, including the Mining Foreman Bursts, changes to the Rorqual and Orca, and the new Porpoise-class industrial command ship."
I suggest you don't pitch a fit now and wait for the blog to see what actually affects you. Still, care to elaborate why? Sounds like an Orca boost in highsec to me. Maybe sitting in a POS to be safe from gankers. I bet the offgrid POS changes affect you a lot. If you help new players with boosts, who protects these new players from gankers? If you don't get any gankers there, then your Orca should be safe as well. It's not like an Orca can't be tanked either. The only thing left is the proposed "inexpensive and low-cargo" ammo, which I'm sure after years of playing you have no issue funding? I'd say just wait for the second blog before jumping to conclusions.

>> Arrendis: I, for one, am looking forward to watching ships at 20% armor explode the moment the duration on the Armor Reinforcement booster expires and they end up with negative HP.
That's a good point. Honestly, it always bothered me how it worked. I'd rather have it keep the relative percentage base, so if it runs out, then only 20% of the current ship HP will be deducted.

>> Esrevid Nekkeg: The blog states: Command Ship - Can fit two Command Burst modules. However, at this moment Command ships can fit 3 Warfare Link Modules. Why did you choose for this reduction?
I second this question, I auto-read it as "3" in my head.

>> Tragot Gomndor: Make it that the Command Burst ALWAYS buffs yourself, no matter if in a fleet or not. I know, you can just activate a 1 man fleet, but that is kinda meh.
Seconding this idea. and actually I don't think we still can make 1-man fleets of self boosting. Just undocked to check if they changed that. They didn't. you require at least one other person in the squad.

>> Sexy Cakes: It's actually not hard at all to catch a dual boxed OGB if you have level 5 sills, virtue implants and a brain.
Mind if you look through the context I've written it in? I said attentive player with a second monitor. The math is fairly simple. We can map a button to "scan" on D-scan. Refresh cooldown + player reaction for second monitor + warp away time (if unaligned) = catch time in seconds. If your scan time + warpto time + lockon time is slower, you will never catch them as long as they're not distracted. Also, not every scanner has level 5 skills or virtue implants. And even if they have, it's not a guarantee to catch an attentive player by previous math. Sure it happens that OffGB get caught. Doesn't mean all get caught.

>> MidnightWyvern: Because Forum Likes are how we judge good or bad ideas, right? Using a populist approach like that sure worked wonders for Sony Online Entertainment with their still massively successful game Planetside 2.
Meh, it's still not so bad :P
But I do resonate with some of the other points you said. Just like the bounty system, I'd rather have CCP remove it along with boosting until they found a viable way of making it worthwhile. I'm convinced the new system is better, but I'm not convinced at the expense it is going to have currently, and not convinced it's going to be a good solution for ongrid boosting. There are still things left to be desired, but let's see how those pan out in future parses. Sisi feedback will remain an important role. If not, well, let's just see more subscriptions dwindle.
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Again to emphasize: If you keep on as planned, then please remove fleet size based skills and refund them. The boost speciality skills can stay. Unless you factor in diminishing returns or other reasons why fleet size has to cater to skill, you are hard pressed to find a reason NOT to refund.

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Oh and lastly, two personal comments of mine;
Many years ago my main was going for a command ship with the fleet boosts up front. Yes, Main. My goal was to boost the fleet while fighting in it, regardless of how very inefficient that was in the long run. Seeing this become more viable after all that time, warms my heart.

This does not change anything about command ships and the like being still kill on sight up there with logi. So no offense, but I doubt that any change to boosting will have those ships survive any longer or be of any less priority. Except you completely get rid of magical bard boosting.

The only thing that gives me pause is the stacking penalty.

Example: Seems odd that it may benefit a mining ship to NOT fit a MLU.

This makes ****-all sense, as both sides of the engagement would be similarly affected.

Furthermore, probably not so smart to primary a command dessie in that situation, at least not because of his boosts. They have a duration, and killing him won't remove them.

Maybe if you want to get the MJFG off the field, but for the boosts? Not so much.

It's pretty telling how utterly ******* broken the current boosting situation is when you can't even fathom how to play the game without them.

A small mining fleet will generally depend on passive leadership skills for any boosts - it will usually make more sense to bring another barge than a dedicated boosting ship. For the combat links, the boosting ships can also fight - we need mining boosters that can also mine. I understand that there will be a new mining drone for the Rorqual but there is no indication this drone can be used by the Orca or Porpoise so they can contribute to the mining yield.

There can be no doubt that the elimination of system wide boosts from an AFK Rorqual pilot hiding behind a POS forcefield will hurt but some people will stop mining, other will harvest less and the price of ore will go up!