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Closing incursions by killing the Mothership

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Argus Eritaramis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-01-17 00:39:15 UTC
Oh noes i have upset the nullbears by pointing out how they got isk on tap...

I must shut up now, before i point out some of the other isk-printing machines in null.
Nycodemis
National Institute of Mental Health
#82 - 2012-01-17 01:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nycodemis
Lyrrashae wrote:
Approve:

This low-risk ISK-farming has gotten right ******* stupid, and... stuff.


Love the tears. Null tears = Best tears.

Not to you specifically, but more generally....

Thanks for the less than insightful posts, though not really that surprising coming from nullsec-based carebears with a penchant for being hypocrites. ISK faucets galore and a level of safety that's typically unavailable in high sec or low sec. (If this confuses you then I just have to assume you're new here.) You're nothing if not predictable. God forbid the highsec crowd get a new toy... the pissing & moaning just never stops.


*sips null tears and smiles*

Later...
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#83 - 2012-01-17 02:03:38 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Rage is when you make troll thread to whine about other people making internet spaceship moniez.Cool

U MAD BRO?Big smile


no rage is posting "HURRRRR REMOVE MOON MINERALS FROM THE GAME CAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY HURRRR SMILEY FACE"
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#84 - 2012-01-17 02:04:28 UTC
Nycodemis wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Approve:

This low-risk ISK-farming has gotten right ******* stupid, and... stuff.


Love the tears. Null tears = Best tears.

Not to you specifically, but more generally....

Thanks for the less than insightful posts, though not really that surprising coming from nullsec-based carebears with a penchant for being being hypocrites. ISK faucets galore and a level of safety that's typically unavailable in high sec or low sec. (If this confuses you then I just have to assume you're new here.) You're nothing if not predictable. God forbid the highsec crowd get a new toy... the pissing & moaning just never stops.


*sips null tears and smiles*

Later...


haha look at you serious posting
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#85 - 2012-01-17 02:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Dzajic wrote:


No. Not at all. If you check my KB stats you will see I'm terrible at PVP and diaf a lot without any gain. Reason I'm posting with my main and linking KB is to prove to you that I have ventured outside of highsec; and that I have engaged in real PVP.
But you can easily just stretch label carebear to anyone who is above -5 and/or has less than 10 (or 100, or 1000) solo kills.



My judgement of whether a person is a carebear--the wrong kind of carebear, I mean, CCP's catering to whom is arguably gutting this game--or not has nothing whatsoever to do with killboard stats, sec status, or what rating the systems you do your thing/s in have.

It is informed by the fact that you ascribe RL "sociopathy" to actions people take, that you don't happen to approve of...

In.
A.
*******.
Video-game.

This is 100%--no, 1000%--carebear-mentality, mate, and I don't care how many solo-kills from how many "gudfytes" populate your killboard.

You are the worst kind of carebear, and everyone here knows it.

Ni.

Dzajic
#86 - 2012-01-17 02:12:03 UTC
Is pissing in rl sandboxes and breaking other kid's toys bad and socially unacceptable behavior? Yes ofc.

What difference is there then? If your only joy in a game is causing inconvenience suffering and loss to other players? If you weren't having IRL sociopathic tendencies such a thing would not be attractive or fun to you; it is simply not how a completely healthy person would think.

You are drawing satisfaction from causing (emotional and mental) injury to other human beings. Why does the medium in which this is done matter?
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#87 - 2012-01-17 02:25:09 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Is pissing in rl sandboxes and breaking other kid's toys bad and socially unacceptable behavior? Yes ofc.

What difference is there then? If your only joy in a game is causing inconvenience suffering and loss to other players? If you weren't having IRL sociopathic tendencies such a thing would not be attractive or fun to you; it is simply not how a completely healthy person would think.

You are drawing satisfaction from causing (emotional and mental) injury to other human beings. Why does the medium in which this is done matter?


the difference is its an internet spaceship game where that stuff is encouraged...and that "emotional and mental" injury you're referencing? thats because people are taking internet spaceships too seriously....theyre pixels bro

tbh, you're probably the only one in this thread that needs to see a shrink or something...look how seriously you're taking internet spaceships
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#88 - 2012-01-17 02:25:10 UTC
Nycodemis wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Approve:

This low-risk ISK-farming has gotten right ******* stupid, and... stuff.


Love the tears. Null tears = Best tears.

Not to you specifically, but more generally....

Thanks for the less than insightful posts, though not really that surprising coming from nullsec-based carebears with a penchant for being hypocrites. ISK faucets galore and a level of safety that's typically unavailable in high sec or low sec. (If this confuses you then I just have to assume you're new here.) You're nothing if not predictable. God forbid the highsec crowd get a new toy... the pissing & moaning just never stops.


*sips null tears and smiles*

Later...


Not a sov-null dweller mate, sorry.

Tried that, didn't much like being a lagged-to-death serf pressing F1 on command at 3.00am for the crooks who get it handed to them by CCP, so it's hi-, lo-, NPC-nullsec, and wormholes for me.

But please, keep feeding your own self-important delusions, and posting them for all to see:

It is proving most entertaining, if rather predictable.


Ni.

Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#89 - 2012-01-17 05:22:06 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Is pissing in rl sandboxes and breaking other kid's toys bad and socially unacceptable behavior? Yes ofc.

What difference is there then? If your only joy in a game is causing inconvenience suffering and loss to other players? If you weren't having IRL sociopathic tendencies such a thing would not be attractive or fun to you; it is simply not how a completely healthy person would think.

You are drawing satisfaction from causing (emotional and mental) injury to other human beings. Why does the medium in which this is done matter?


So people who like to be cast in roles as murders, rapists, or all-around bad guys in movies must like doing that stuff irl ?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#90 - 2012-01-17 07:56:11 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
So its not ok to blacklist entire alliance if leader of that alliance is trying to inconvenience you as much as possible?

One again. Why am I a parasite? Of whom and how?


They blacklisted the alliance because 1 guy of theirs stole 50k worth of mineral (the one used for exploding), THEN the leader of the alliance decided to take this revenge.
ReptilesBlade
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-01-17 08:13:20 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
Darius III wrote:


I am interested in hearing from a broader audience than Crime and Punishment about our actions.

Approve or disapprove and why?


I dont run incursions so have no preference right now, so im sat on the fence.

I will ask this though, why? Why are you attempting to prevent high sec incursion runners from doing the same thing that low sec people, and null sec people do already, but for more reward? I understand the risk vs reward premise, which is why low/null incursions pay higher, so in the bigger picture you want to keep low/null incursions as they are ( already higher payouts ) but stop high sec players doing the same?

If so, i'd say that was pretty hypocritical.

Maybe i dont see the bigger picture so only commenting on what i gleen from these forums, but what effect does it have on your experience of playing eve, your game, that high sec players are farming a particular event and earning lots of isk?




No, you have it right.

They are being selfish hypocrites.
Argus Eritaramis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-01-17 08:15:58 UTC
I have another idea to equalize isk and risk, that should interest you.

You know how we all hate the bot-miners and bot ratters who are just raking in the isk and destroying the value of those activities for others...
Wouldnt it be nice if we were able to police those activities ourselves?

I know Goons have tried to instill some fear in miners themselves, but I feel so much more could be done...


How do we do this?


Make it optional for all pilots to join Local Chat, like in WH space.

That way all the null-bear-bots wont just dock up at the first little sign of stranger danger, but would rather have to actually have some sort of risk together with their ABC mining and their free isk.

The bots ratting away merrily in the belts would have to at least be very awesome bots capable of defending themselves, or a real human overlord would have to ride shotgun to handle any unpleasant visitors.

And you have to admit, it sure would make life in null, the otherwise very tedious life in null, quite a bit more interesting.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#93 - 2012-01-17 08:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
did a real fleet come and kill the incursion eventually?
Because if it did, you failed.

Did the players who lost a ship (oh noes) find another incursion that day?
Because if they did, you failed.

Did you teach the "carebears" to be more careful in the future.
Because if you did, you did them a favour.

Tactics like this work a few times and are nothing new in the MMO world. So you might stop being all "high horsey" about it and feeling special. At best you made a few battleship explode. Things like this where done by PK'ers in Ultima Online in dungeons, this is no different.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Dzajic
#94 - 2012-01-17 09:53:53 UTC
Tarsas Phage wrote:
Dzajic wrote:
Is pissing in rl sandboxes and breaking other kid's toys bad and socially unacceptable behavior? Yes ofc.

What difference is there then? If your only joy in a game is causing inconvenience suffering and loss to other players? If you weren't having IRL sociopathic tendencies such a thing would not be attractive or fun to you; it is simply not how a completely healthy person would think.

You are drawing satisfaction from causing (emotional and mental) injury to other human beings. Why does the medium in which this is done matter?


So people who like to be cast in roles as murders, rapists, or all-around bad guys in movies must like doing that stuff irl ?



Completely different thing. Problem is you are not really "playing a role of bandit". Problem is you screwing with game of other paying customers. Incursions interdiction is pure meta-gaming and that is farthest you can get from in context behaviour or role playing. You are going all out in effort to make game-play as inconvenient and miserable for other players as you can.

Besides in movies good guys win 99% of time while in EVE it has always been the opposite. Because it is you who take internet spaceships too seriously an you spend enormous amounts of time planning such a event where your only goal is to prevent other people playing the game or make their game time as miserable as possible. And when it comes to taking internet spaceships seriously.... how more serious can it get from nullsec leaders with their steady IRL income from RMT shops to whom they lend their space.

Once again. You are not doing this for in game profit or for your "in game role-play". You are doing it to inconvenient other players and feed your feeble little souls on other people's discomfort and trouble.

I'm so bored of this discussion over all these years. I actually hope you win and CCP foolishly listens to all your absurd little demands. Remove highsec incursions and L4s all together. Instant 70 or 80% drop in subs; CCP goes bankrupt, EA or Sony buys EVE and we get a game where forums are actually moderated and in game griefing is bannable offense. Yes it would be a extremely boring EVE; but also soo much less stressful and annoying one.

That's the whole point. Its just a bloody game; people play it to have fun. If your only fun is to constantly and consistently frack with game-play and fun of other people you are being a real jerk to real people, you are just doing it isnide of a virtual environment.
The Time Lord
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-01-17 11:38:49 UTC
i wanted to start getting into incursions, but all this griefing scares me. are scout sites being targeted? maybe i can do those without being attacked. missions are boring and any time i leave high sec i get ganked. not sure what to do.
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-01-17 12:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoxothul
Dzajic wrote:
*An awful lot of ranting*


You seem to be missing the main point of it, aside of the suicide fleets, we are merely playing the game as it was designed to be played, that being actually KILLING the Mothership when it spawns, instead of simply ignoring it to farm endless ISK.

It's you guys who keeps abusing a game mechanic to benefit more then original intended.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#97 - 2012-01-17 13:20:55 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
At best you made a few battleship explode. Things like this where done by PK'ers in Ultima Online in dungeons, this is no different.


No at best they have managed to get people like Dzajic to think people in a video game are sociopaths for pissing in his spaceship cheerios~~~

Op success.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-01-17 13:40:24 UTC
Please continue doing this. It might make CCP address some of the more broken aspects of incursions (namely, assaults and HQ's not paying more than vanguards, and the incursion timer being a piece of ****).

Also, at Dzjaic, you complain of metagaming. Incursions are metagaming. What do you think that agreement is? Running the sites shortly after the mothership pops is the POINT of incursions from CCP's view. And they have let their creation lie fallow since a few tiny changes last spring. Hopefully if the agreement dies and motherships burn, CCP will finally address that.

-Arazel
Dzajic
#99 - 2012-01-17 14:00:18 UTC
If CCP wanted Incursions to be completed quickly why would have they given them a week long lifespan?
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-01-17 14:03:38 UTC
So that people would actually have a chance to organize, group up and go kill the thing? The whole point is that you want to STOP the incursion from happening, by defeating the big bad mothership, not leave it alone and farm it's support fleet.