EVE General Discussion

I thought citadels were the best change introduced to the game since I started playing it, but not anymore.

I'm sure there is some fun in citadel owners fighting for market dominance and trying to destroy one another, but from the standpoint of a simple user of them, having to deal with market services suddently becoming unavailable every now and then because a citadel is destroyed or the owner simply can't or doesn't want to keep it running anymore is no fun at all, rather just another huge waste of time...

This game looks great, but the feeling that for anything I want to do I have to waste a lot of time dealing with issues and doing other things I really don't want to do is burning me out...

LOL, except NPC broker fees aren't the same that they've been for years, precisely to promote the citadels. You don't think I wasn't aware of that "solution", do you?

Actually, problem not solved. Playing like the citadels are someone else's problem ... I'm not going to explain that one.

I set one up on Singularity months and months ago. Did all the training. Hauled it out, "anchored it", took command, and sat there wondering what the point in this might be. Sure, put in a market function and try to beat the Jita/Dodixie/Rens/Amarr combine by fiddling with fees and sech like...on what in terms of items? Move the entire contents of one market into yours, then charge less?

I had a hard time imagining how this was playing EVE. It has all the earmarks of a data entry job. Then it occurred to me. There was always a problem with getting goods out to null sec. With abysmal security standing, access to fair markets with a wide range of products at a competitive price is problematic insofar as being shot at by NPCs. Trying to imagine what your corpies might need and making shopping trips with freighters is indeed a tedious chore. However, distribution of said goods then becomes a major problem.

The citadel with market function, place to park clones, at least (very least) seems like a good remedy. However, only in conjunction with a well-established POS and the attendant array. You could fill several freighters with a wide variety of goods, put them up for sale to your own folks at cost. The market panel would then serve for the distribution interface. Voila! Not bad. Sure, they're a bit flimsy, but relatively cheap and easy to replace if some misfortune should befall them. Under the POS system, they wouldn't count as turning sovereignty, so any losses would be supply intervention, or collateral damage - cost of doing business.

But, the rumblings are that the POS system is being Fozzied out. (Put all your eggs in one "head"...nice move.) And, imagining being left with just a citadel - which is actually at its core no more than a stationary ship - is a head scratcher to say the least. Of course, we have no idea what we're going to wind up with till we get it. Intosis. SOVs. FozzieFuzzie thinking seems to be the order of the day. It's a small wonder the population is turning to small things to keep occupied.

A lot of people left some time ago claiming we're being had. There was a lot of "trust us..." going about.
Imagine saying that in an environment you created yourself predicated on "trust no one"....just imagine.

So what is your problem actually? I thought its unreliable services? But now you said its also NPC broker fees.
So you have to accept one or another. Your choice. What is bigger problem to you?

There will be no structure that excells in everything. You can bet all your ISK on it.

The idea is the idea isn't clear. The idea is I have no idea.

Oh, your little put down. How like you that was.

No, they're not.

They're meant to provide a dockable structure for NewSpace.

Their primary purpose is to allow change away from the current system.
Seeing stations vanish eventually becomes and option through citadels.
Removing POS becomes an option through citadels.
Removing legacy code and making room for new gameplay.. citadels.

I can't speak to the structure team's specific plans, but my understanding is that phasing out player-owned starbases is a long-term goal that requires a lot more development of current and not-yet-existing structures. There will be plenty of advance notice of the details before anything like that happens.

You wouldn't steal a hologram.

I think Citadels are there to fill a new role.
Replacement of POS.
Now they have 1 item instead of 150 items.
Think here for a moment about the size of the game, about loot dropping, about the numbers of attackers.

They reduce the items in space down to 1/150 th of what it was, while also adding in factors that limit how much DPS these can receive. So there's no need to bring something that will roflstomp it empty in mere seconds as that no longer works. Throw in the timers used and now players are forced to hit at specific times, vs hitting everything at once.

Assuming they move all industry and moon mining to citadels, they have just lowered their game processing by huge amounts.

So, less items in space, less players in space, less blobs all at once (due to timers).

It also brings in a feature we were promised with POS's... "Sharing" of the POS to non-corp players. None of the promises ever materialized so I guess they will consider citadels to be them filling that.

And I disagree with others on saying that the broker fee's should just be accepted.

Now it takes nearly 20 days of skill training to get the cost down from 5% to 3%, that's quite a bit, and it is only that good if you have a standing of 10 with the corp in question. The fee's are quite excessive now, but I guess they felt it was more fair to pull isk from traders than those who were getting killed in their pods.

I like citadels, but they are honestly underpowered when it comes to defending themselves. They should be able to destroy at least some of the attackers, the way it is now means that small corps have no real reason to build their own. It doesn't "Bridge" any gap between industry and PVP... It just gives players something to spend money on and watch die.

Your problem is unreliable services.
Still, certain citadels may be more reliable than others.
You are not wasting time because CCP makes it harder for you, its other players that make them unreliable, dont forget about that.

You have to deal with consequences of your choices and choices of others.
And one of them choices may be also doing nothing to protect the service you are using.

Is your choice.