Player Features and Ideas Discussion

my apologies

by control I don't mean control of a system.

I mean control of a certain percentage of the fee pot

In your example, the frigate might capture 5 percent of the fee payout pot while the cruiser would say capture say 7 percent of the payout pot.

as to the solo rooms...only some of the rooms would be solo and as I said above the solo restrictions would only reduce the effect of the blob not remove.

honestly if you have enough sites, solo rooms might not even be neccesary as fleets are forced to spread out in order to defend their isk earning sites.

ulitmately these are just ideas on how to make the idea work

There are a few flaws in your argument which you may wish to consider.

First of all this is null sec. There is no such thing as flying to the nearest station and reshipping in a timely matter. (unless this is a border system, in which case the defending alliance is likely to have a lot of players present) IF you HAVE docking rights, those will soon be removed from you and you will most likely be turfed from the alliance. Otherwise you are probably looking at quiet a long flight back to a station that you can dock at before you can re-ship. As such, the alliance defenders (who will have ships nearby) will be able to root out you ships one by one and send you on a merry trip back home in your pod.

Oh but wait….In this system you need to be within 5 Km of a beacon in order to capture it and the warp off restriction extends to about 100 km off the beacon. So you trip home is actually going to be using the pod express if your not paying attention (IE hot boxing) so to speak and I can guarantee that your clone is going to be some distance away. In fact the very cost of replacing your clone will guarantee that your not going to be doing a lot of hot boxing while trying to capture these sites as you will need all you attention on just one ship.

Finally, this is null sec, which means if your constantly going after the same systems, your quickly going to run in blobs sporting warp bubbles. This means that in order to be successful in this enterprise you going to constantly switching up target systems and trying to catch your enemies while their napping. This of course, will force the defenders to divide up their forces in order to defend all their sites. IE reduced blob activity.

And THAT, is what this system is all about…an ever changing sub capital active PVP environment where small gangs are constantly on the roam either trying to capture sites or defend them.

You do realise most of these sites would contain one guy and his alt farming the isk, right?

No.



Any and all points relating to instancing or the creation of arenas.

In response to Simi Kusoni

First of all, the nature of the sites prevents people from stationing faction BS;s in every site, This is becuase not every site even ALLOWS BS's.

Secondly, have you even considered the math of what you are proposing would happen?

It is assumed that Each system would have an average of ten sites per system or more. So even a small allaince with at least 10 systems would need to have active more than a 100 active alts just to have ships inside of every single site.

Add to this an off line defence force of 20 alts per site !?!..... Last I checked small alliances don't have anything near 2000 toons!

Remember, that for all these toons to do what you say they are going to do will require each and everyone of them to undergo at LEST a month of training...Thats over 166 years of account training! just for TEN systems.

CLEARLY THIS IS NOT A REALISTIC RESULT

As to your "pirate trap" with SO many of these sites in a system, wouldn't thier time be better spend just gate camping rather than have a group of players just sitting off line waiting for someone to come into the site?

from what I have seen of pirates IN the game, pirates on a gate aren't exaclty know for thier patience OR attention spans....I can only imaganine how bad it would be if they tried to wait off line at a site that someone may or may not show upto...

if anything they would more likely roam from site to site looking for "farmers"...

Thirdly....how would the defender reship into a BC to defend a cruiser site ot a frigate site?

Finally...Solo rooms ARE NOT THE CENTER PIONT of my idea...they are just one of a number of possibilities

PS I do conceed that I origonally included low sec into my post...but this IS brainstorming after all..

BTW these sites already exist in low sec, they just don't pay out and as a result are generally ignored,

When people refer to "instancing" in EVE they are referring to places where you cannot affect another player outside of certain "rules" within a given area.
Complexes, missions, and anomalies are not "instances" because other players (hostile or otherwise) can also find these areas and affect you for better or worse.

In short, this is what people are saying "no" to; "controlled environments" where you cannot do anything outside of "specific parameters" (ex. bringing a "support" ship into a 1v1).

Me parking five alts in a site and blapping anyone who comes in? Me locking down solo or small rooms with my alts? Free isk for doing absolutely nothing, and with no risk whatsoever as I'd have the two different alliance guys sitting in one site so no-one else could come in?

I'd like to say as a pretext to this: I know you think this is brainstorming, and maybe I should go easy. But I'm being harsh because sometimes people don't understand how thoroughly players will abuse mechanics like this. On top of that, instancing is negative for other reasons, primarily that Eve is not designed as an instanced PvP game.

PvP in Eve is rarely (outside of some high sec gankers and noob low sec corps) purely about PvP. It's about taking other people's stuff in the most efficient way possible, it is merely a means to an end. The end being filthy ******* rich. For this reason encouraging solo PvP in an instanced form with artificial rewards is simply against the spirit of the game IMHO.

Not that I'm against encouraging small gang PvP in terms of removing SD timers so we don't "have" to blob caps, adjusting cyno mechanics to give small gangs some time to GTFO when titan bridged (or at least making the logistics of titan bridging a little harder). Anyway, my point is that there are plenty of things to brainstorm that could make small gang and solo PvP more fun, but instancing is not one of them.


They stick a faction BS in the BS site. What do>? ATTACK IT. OMFG LOG ON TRAP.


Have you considered that applying some logistics to ganking people honorable PvP in these sites wouldn't mean you need your characters in every system? Move them as required, reship in system. Hence the "messy system of alts (that) leaves random ships laying in every outpost/pos in any system with this arena crap in.".


"Either the ISK given out is nominal, and these sights are ignored". Otherwise, they won't be, and they'll be camped and farmed.


Pirates are not patient, in that they will rarely sit up cloaked in a rated plex and wait for a tengu to come along. Because they aren't earning any money. Give them a financial incentive to semi-afk in a site like this and gank people while they're at it and it is all you will see. "Territory" will consist purely of who has the most diverse range of hull classes and alts/members in any given region.

As for roaming from site to site, what in? Battlecruisers? What if they find a cruiser sitting in a site? A mixed fleet? What if they find five cruisers? Oh wait, no, solo rooms don't matter now there're group rooms. So we're back to just having a site for people to leave an alt at so they can bring a blob if anyone else comes into system.


"Either the ISK given out is nominal, and these sights are ignored". Otherwise, they won't be, and they'll be camped and farmed.

If you absolutely must have some sort of PVP instancing thing, add some sort of hisec PVP "tournament" people can sign up for, place a bet of isk to lose if they lose, both participants get a bookmark to an instance set aside only for them, and if one of them dies or doesn't show up within a reasonable amount of time, they lose the isk they bet. If none of them show up, the fight is forfeit and both of them lose the isk they put in.

Voila, hisec people can have their honoure fites, and they can get the instant gratification they so desire.

But stay the **** out of nullsec with those things. Get out.