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Courior Contract Citidel Scam
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Flora Fellflower
Wealthy Tax Fugitives
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#1 - 2016-08-27 23:37:09 UTC
Hi. Dont know is this in the right place, but anyways.

Ive been running a few courier contracts to highsec citadels. One citadel I made one run to, but then on the second run my docking rights had been revoked . I now stand to lose several billion as I can not complete the contract.

It seems that my docking rights were removed after I took the contract. Is this possible? Or we my rights removed in between different contracts? Ive done a little searching and cant seem to find what the mechanics are. Is there a time limit where somone is blocked from docking only after 30 mins or somthing?

I know in null you need access to dock, and citidels are player owned so need access too, but is it really possible to set high collateral and then just block access while the contract is underway?

I take every precaution when hauling null/ low/ high and have completed many gank contracts in the past knowing the dangers involved, yet ive just been robbed of billions and i dont know how exactly it happened.

Any advice or suggestions?
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#2 - 2016-08-28 00:24:01 UTC
Flora Fellflower wrote:
Hi. Dont know is this in the right place, but anyways.

Ive been running a few courier contracts to highsec citadels. One citadel I made one run to, but then on the second run my docking rights had been revoked . I now stand to lose several billion as I can not complete the contract.

It seems that my docking rights were removed after I took the contract. Is this possible? Or we my rights removed in between different contracts? Ive done a little searching and cant seem to find what the mechanics are. Is there a time limit where somone is blocked from docking only after 30 mins or somthing?

I know in null you need access to dock, and citidels are player owned so need access too, but is it really possible to set high collateral and then just block access while the contract is underway?

I take every precaution when hauling null/ low/ high and have completed many gank contracts in the past knowing the dangers involved, yet ive just been robbed of billions and i dont know how exactly it happened.

Any advice or suggestions?







don't do shitadels that arent used by lots of ppl; any of them can be baiting you to take their fake couriers :) wellscammed i guess.
Flora Fellflower
Wealthy Tax Fugitives
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#3 - 2016-08-28 00:41:39 UTC
The mechanics tho, can docking rights be removed after the contract is accepted?

Surely the person with the incoming contract should be immune to docking rights changes until the contract is delivered.
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#4 - 2016-08-28 00:49:55 UTC
Flora Fellflower wrote:
The mechanics tho, can docking rights be removed after the contract is accepted?

Surely the person with the incoming contract should be immune to docking rights changes until the contract is delivered.


put that on the suggestions forum i guess; but hey; this is eve. bla bla htfu bla bla is what you'll get in this part of the forums ;)
Flora Fellflower
Wealthy Tax Fugitives
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#5 - 2016-08-28 02:00:53 UTC
Just read another forum about this stuff, so to answer my own question;

Yes, docking rights can be removed after the accepting of the contract.

I conclude the following -

This is unbelievable bullshit of the highest order.

Its totally incompetent to have a dynamic i the game like this.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#6 - 2016-08-28 02:51:09 UTC
If you can deliver the stuff remotely, contract an alt to take the stuff there.

A signature :o
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-08-28 05:10:26 UTC
Any contracts involving any sort of station needing any kind of docking rights ever have worked like that. Why would citadels be any different?



/me shakes head...
Flora Fellflower
Wealthy Tax Fugitives
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#8 - 2016-08-28 06:49:25 UTC
Changing the terms of the contract after its been accepted, as far as im aware, is not really somthing that has existed before. Not somthing that ive ever seen anyways.

The politics of nullsec dictate who can or cant dock. I reckon its very rare that a contract destined for a nullsec station gets locked out by the time it gets there because the sov holder was pulling a collateral scam.



Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#9 - 2016-08-28 10:08:05 UTC
Flora Fellflower wrote:
Its totally incompetent to have a dynamic i the game like this.



Welcome to EVE.

CCP wishes you well and enjoys your sub fee/PLEX buy.

Have fun! Fly safe!

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Griever Takkow
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
BLACKFLAG.
#10 - 2016-08-28 10:25:15 UTC
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Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2016-08-28 14:04:41 UTC
Flora Fellflower wrote:
Changing the terms of the contract after its been accepted, as far as im aware, is not really somthing that has existed before. Not somthing that ive ever seen anyways.

The politics of nullsec dictate who can or cant dock. I reckon its very rare that a contract destined for a nullsec station gets locked out by the time it gets there because the sov holder was pulling a collateral scam.




The terms did not change, you still have to deliver the cargo to x location for y ISK or lose z ISK. That said, this is a stupid mechanic. It strongly discourages the use of courier contracts to citadels since any one of them could have their access closed off, which hurts everyone who uses them. With gank contracts there's counterplay such as taking an alternate route, subcontracting to an alt if it hasn't been double-wrapped, or fitting max tank with logi/jams and surviving. Once you're locked out of a citadel, game over.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Paranoid Loyd
#12 - 2016-08-28 15:10:46 UTC
Nelson wrote:
Haha

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Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-08-28 15:18:35 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Nelson wrote:
Haha

FTFY
Flora Fellflower
Wealthy Tax Fugitives
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#14 - 2016-08-29 02:52:36 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Flora Fellflower wrote:
Changing the terms of the contract after its been accepted, as far as im aware, is not really somthing that has existed before. Not somthing that ive ever seen anyways.

The politics of nullsec dictate who can or cant dock. I reckon its very rare that a contract destined for a nullsec station gets locked out by the time it gets there because the sov holder was pulling a collateral scam.




The terms did not change, you still have to deliver the cargo to x location for y ISK or lose z ISK. That said, this is a stupid mechanic. It strongly discourages the use of courier contracts to citadels since any one of them could have their access closed off, which hurts everyone who uses them. With gank contracts there's counterplay such as taking an alternate route, subcontracting to an alt if it hasn't been double-wrapped, or fitting max tank with logi/jams and surviving. Once you're locked out of a citadel, game over.


Thank you for an intelligent answer.

Blocking access is changing the terms, of course it is! It should null/void the bloody contract. I docked at the citadel beforehand aswell, just to make sure I could. Who would be stupid enough to take a contract for somwhere they cant dock?

This is a ******* disgusting cheating piece of **** hole in the game which has cost me alot. Next time I log in its to sell my assets and donate my ISK to my corp. I wont be logging back in again after that.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-08-29 04:59:18 UTC
^ Imperial Shipment isn't going to appreciate all your stuff like I will. Seriously - I can haz yur stuff?
Thermal Damage
Star Nation
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2016-08-29 08:02:24 UTC
Flora Fellflower wrote:
This is a ******* disgusting cheating piece of **** hole in the game which has cost me alot. Next time I log in its to sell my assets and donate my ISK to my corp. I wont be logging back in again after that.


mmmm that white hot rage

and the average IQ of the playerbase increases...

I was found guilty of Nitshe by the CoCaP
Sem Skord
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#17 - 2016-08-29 08:30:11 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
^ Imperial Shipment isn't going to appreciate all your stuff like I will. Seriously - I can haz yur stuff?


Put it to a good cause, give US your stuff Pirate
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-08-29 10:40:51 UTC
Oh, you can trust me on one thing - I'll put it to a good cause.



Mine! Lol
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#19 - 2016-08-29 13:06:16 UTC
Flora Fellflower wrote:
impotent rage


Shocked

Oh.

Oh my.

CCP!!

Quick!!!

You're losing another customer!!!!

DO SOMETHING!!!!!!

.....................

*cracks open a beer*

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
rat weazle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-08-29 14:12:32 UTC
there are corps that specialise in removing citadels...

how can you deliver stuff to a place that no longer exists?
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