Warfare & Tactics

Hi there.
I've a question about the idea of two vs world PvP experience - say I have a friend who is wiling to fly "co-op", what would be the best way to do it? Ships, fits, some tactics unique to this setup (combos etc) - that sort of stuff.
Also, as a disclaimer - neither I nor my would-be space buddy have any PvP experience whatsoever, altough I have a basic understanding of PvP in general (as much as you can get from watching and reading guides).

As you admittedly have little PVP experience, I'd recommend starting in some frigates around FW space.

For fits, I'd recommend one of two schools of thought.

First, try to simple fit solo PVP ships. Assume the other pilot won't be on grid, and build something you feel like you could fly. Then go roam around and "solo together." By this I mean hunt I. The same or adjacent systems and keep each other posted on what things look like. If a fight begins and you are on your own, you don't have to leave and wait for backup. If you do happen to engage a target together you'll have to make decisions situationally. This all gives good opportunity to both pilots to gain skill in hunting, finding and engaging opponents.

Secondly, I'd recommend a pair consisting of a tanks tackler and. Long range DPS ship. Examples might be: a mwd/scram punisher and a light missile/mwd talwar, a hill tanked or, mwd/ab/web/scram Firetail and a Tristan. In these of other cases, the goal is for the tackler to pin the target and the DPSer to avoid the target(s) and kill things.

*Arbitrator intensifies*

So a tackler brawler and some sort of kite ship? And how realistic is it to always fight a target together?




So dual drone boats is a thing? If so, can you recommend any specific fits? Actually have no clue on how to fit a drone vessel :D

Obviously not for everyone but I am continuing to have a lot of fun with my Sabre / Pilgrim pair (see my pair’s KB links below).

The Sabre kills most things I meet without my even bothering to uncloak the Pilgrim. Generally I use the Sabre to: 1. Isolate my targets (bubbles); 2. Fast-lock tackle my targets before they can GTFO (scram); 3. Stop MJDers from GTFOing (scram); 4. Stop stab-gurus from GTFOing (bubbles); and 5. Delivering DPS.

For tougher ships I sometimes sacrifice the Sabre, especially when It’s a decent kill on offer (e.g. https://zkillboard.com/kill/55726103/), but more often than not the Sabre manages to exit, with varying amounts of residual structural integrity, once I bring the Pilgrim’s neuts into play.

The Pilgrim acts to: 1. Maintain the tackle (faction point); 2. Incapacitate the target (neuts); and 3. Deliver DPS (drones).

I use drag-bubble methods, but occasionally use spontaneous stop bubbles … which are more in-keeping with a roaming pair scenario.

Upside:
- A very powerful PvP pair
- Bubbles are awesome
- Pilgrim is a cloaky surprise merchant
- Cytotoxic, very effective in svipul-destruction
Downside:
- Target selection is important
- Not exactly ‘cheap and cheerful’
- Relatively skill intensive … both skillbook and ingame experience
- Pilgrim kills are not blap-ganks, and usually take some time to effect
- Even better with additional support, such as eyes and a ‘**** happens’ falcon.


Sabre = https://zkillboard.com/character/456566725/
Pilgrim = https://zkillboard.com/character/560174300/

Is there a replacemnt for the role of Caracal? I know its kinda silly, but I find the ship visualy ugly. Its like a space stick with missles

Bellicose would do the job decently (RLML, disruptor, paint, shield buffer), Omen would be ok too, you can also switch for a rail Thorax or AC Stabber w/ range mods but you lose a good chunk of the Caracal's (or Belli) anti-frigate capabilities.

As an earlier poster stated I would start out small and cheapish. Some of the proposals involve quite involved and expensive ship setups.

Given the skills you mentioned your friend in an auto cannon tackle heavy tanked punisher and you backing up in a Hookbill (or kestrel) may be your best first try.

Wander around faction warfare space using the punisher as bait, keep the Hookbill out of dscan range warp in be the hero. Tormentor maybe better bait due to three midslot tackle and prop configuration.

As for your Vexor typical strong setup is dual rep. For beginners this can be a lot to manage.

1600mm Plate it use dual 150mm rails for fitting, fill mids with tackle and prop mod prob need an acr rig.

One of the good things about a ship have a poor rep is that people will be wiling to fight you.

It is there for tank (does this very well) and tackle only flaw is not having three midslots for scram web and prop mod. Can mitigate this a little with 10mn ab but again there is a nack to that that may not be best for beginners.

Ok, I think I got it :) Will start with frigates, gonna switch to cruisers when we feel comfortable about PvP in general. Got some fitting ideas as well now.

Thanks to everyone who posted here, always a pleasure to see how helpful eve community is :)