EVE General Discussion

Same as for nullsec: give people a reason to be there. Drastically lower rewards in highsec (limit to vanguard incursions, WAY fewer ores, highest mission level is 3, ice only in anomalies); move regular ice belts, worthwhile incursions, missions level 4-5 to lowsec.

Then there would be a good reason to be there, and you may just get a good fight disturbing missions or mining ops.

They won't be solo, but you may be able to isolate a fat kid or straggler.

Too drastic?



Another option would be to have a bounty hunter career option, geared towards solo work across all areas of space; but in this case specifically to isolate one target so that you can engage it without gateguns or concord interference. The issue being that killright does not equal bounty, and instead of getting paid for the kill You have to pay for the right to do your job ... which is backwards.



the day's been too long and the night too short. TL ; DR won't proofread and just hit post- all it it very likely sucks ballz tho. Bummer.

So funny. Rework the game so it satisfies ME. You just don't get it. If you were the main cash cow, it would already satisfy you. The reason it doesn't, and probably never will, is your "style" of play isn't the "style" of play the income stream prefers.

Maybe threads like these are a form of digital nailbiting...or...weeping silently to oneself....VERY LOUDLY.

Null already has insane rewards moreso wormholes. Why try to force people uninterested in pvp to go to null. Been tried and failed repeatedly since 2003. Plenty of room in EvE for both styles. I have no interest in shooting people who cant or dont choose to be fighting.

You do realise that you just disqualified 90% of your own posts?

I'll grant you there are a few out there - mostly buried in the more-viewed outdated material.

I'm not saying it is impossible - just much harder than it used to be when there were hundreds of up-to-date guides all over and less camps/blobs/obstacles in low/null facing the new player.... And while a few players may be able to get there solo, as I say the vast majority would be better off just joining up with a PvP group and running fleets to begin with.



Ironically I actually tuned in to Suitonia's twitch stream the other day - he was flying a confessor (alright, t3 destroyers aren't too high end, but it is getting there) - and within 10 minutes I saw him die to a 10-person svipul camp and swear about it.

This is a man who has literally been doing this for over a decade...Still getting pissed off about dieing in an insta-locking gate-camp.

And he has 10,000 kills to *prove* it isn't a big deal.

Now of course, Suitonia fit up a new confessor and continued roaming. He does this for a living. He got over the anger and moved on...

A *new* player who has *never won a fight* before? They don't have the positives to fall back on - they tend to get only that frustration. And if they get it often enough - 99.99% of them are going to simply give up and go become a mission runner or miner in high sec for the rest of their miserable EVE career. They will *say* that "some day" they'll be ready for PvP - but that "some day" tends to be in 20+ years when they've maxed all the skills... AKA: Long after they've quit bothering to play EVE.



So once again, just to be clear - 100% support getting new players into PvP As Soon As Possible. But they should join new-player-friendly PvP corps/alliances - not be told to just figure it out on their own solo. There is a *much* higher success rate in good groups.



Also regarding the OP - I stand by my original post that the only realistic solution if you really wanted this would be to assemble an army large enough to evict all of the current permanent low-sec residents who essentially "own" their territories. You have to use the existing in-game mechanics - you can not and should not rely on CCP to "fix" things for you. The problems are entrenched *players* - they need to be de-entrenched by *players* if you really think this is a "problem" worth solving.

If people don't think it is worth doing, it won't happen. No big deal, life continues as it is now in low-sec.

Sorry, but I don't see any facts at all. A lot of opinion, which is perfectly fine. But facts? No.

Suitonia is good, but not unique.

I didn't say unique - just rare

But yeah, of course it is only based on my own observations/experience - so it isn't "proven fact" as far as *how many* people have good reflexes.



It *is* proven fact, however, that the people who for whatever reason can't seem to react to any external stimulus in less than 1-2 full seconds tend to perform very poorly in solo PvP.

If you want proof - go look up one of the streamers who is *bad* at it and still tries



Maybe I'm also biased based on the fact that in 0.0 gate camps I *always* had to bring the tackle, because *nobody* else would ever pay attention for 2 whole seconds to notice gate flashes in my group...

And I think I'm scarred for life from all the times that I caught the target, killed the target, podded the target, looted the corpse... And *then* heard multiple people excitedly report the gate flash of the hostile entering system...and get ready to "catch him when he decloaks".....

Outbidding a market order by .01 isk = solo pvp. Happens all the time. Some players simply avoid it by selling to market orders.

Same behavior occurs in combat pvp; you can not force those players to play the .01 game. Perhaps they do not engage in combat pvp because they do not find it satisfying.

Eve is a sandbox and there are plenty other games focused solely on combat pvp. If you want more people willingly interested in solo combat then prob you should petition ccp to make it more rewarding (don'tknow how or if they're even interested in it); but you can not expect the majority of players who prefer solo play to become active in combat pvp simply because the way of achieving anything in Eve is by making considerable amounts of isk. And solo combat pvp (if you ignore ganking and baiting) is a major isk sink.

By design Eve it is game that favors spread sheets and statistics aka interaction between large groups of players. The larger the group the bigger the chances to win a confrontation/competition... this is the direction the game went in from the start, don't expect it to change.

Well I won't be here to see it then - but good luck o7

Also - just for the record - if/when you get there, if you click your controls less than half a second apart and in fact find that you *have* good reflexes - you will just be supporting (not proving technically) *my* point

To dis-prove my point you would need to spend all those years, get all the experience, and still be incapable of responding to things in less than half a second (which honestly I think is significantly faster than average, in EVE) - and then still be successful with the slow reflexes.

Uhm... which means faster reflexes from training....

Don't write before you start to think. :P