Wormholes

Here let me just do one quick google search for you and give you the incorrect information!

Hi friend!

TDSIN, They moved to a C5->C5 after we failed to evict them.

TLC, Nobody evicted them, they moved out of C6 space on their own. HK kept ganking their oversized badly protected krab fleets though (HELLOOOOOO open and unscouted static!)

Disavowed, From what I recall they failcascaded due to internal drama, not due to an eviction.

Dropbears, They got evicted from their C6 yes, but they moved to a C5->C5. And have since moved to a C2, which was right around the citadel patch.

No Vacancies, Something about a director account getting hacked and losing 700b. They now live in C2 space.

NoHo, They failcascaded due to drama after their failed eviction attempt (unrelated.)

ADHOC got evicted from their C5->C5 by SSC, who have since failcascaded and some pilots now reside in Overload This.
ADHOC lives in C4 space now.

Arctic Light, They moved out of C6 space on their own and now reside in a C5->C5 after moving around for a bit.

Haywire, They got evicted by Dura Lexx. They have since mostly merged into NOVAC around the time of the hack.

QUL, Who I spearheaded the eviction of in 2014 now reside in a C5->C6.

Isogen 5, They failcascaded due to ~internal drama~. Their members scattered to multiple WH groups.

RCC, LZHX+QEX evicted them in 2014 while they were moving from a C6->C5 to a C6->C2. They were ~90%~ moved out, so they didn't lose all that much. They finished moving into their C6->C2 and then got ganked by LZHX+HK with an open unscouted static. They then proceeded to failcascade.

Ragnarok, They failcascaded for reasons unknown, probably because they never got ganked when they were warping 20 dreads into sites.

Blue-fire, They live in null-sec some place now. The group split or something and now R3d fire exists in a C5->C5.

Sky Syndicate, They failcascaded due to ~internal drama~, remnants from this group formed Rolled Out.

Sky Fighters, They survived the Sky Syndicate failcascade and stayed in C5 space for a while. They now reside in C2 Space.

Rolled Out, They partially failcascaded or something after a short stint in C5 space, they now reside in low-sec.

Did I miss someone? Let me know and I'll see if I can remember.


Yeah I guess we're entirely to blame for the death of C5/C6 space. Right on brother, keep drinking dat koolaid.


Also, what I really don't get is how everyone parrots how C6 space was so great and how you could roll for like 30 minutes, find a PVP entity and then get a fight once a week. From when I was watching in early 2014 that rarely ever happened between the 10~ or so ~PVP entities~ living in C6 space at the time.

I saw heaps of hurf blurfing between blue-fire and Ragnarok about blueballs for a while but never really any epic fights. more often than not I'd witness someone rolling into another, them welping some rando T1 BC gangs to each other for less than a billion isk each then forming a fleet together and rolling wormholes for ~PVP~ against krabs.

If you can find me a bunch of battlereports to show otherwise I'm more than willing to admit that I'm wrong, but I think people need to take off their rose tinted glasses and face reality.

And if people really think that LZHX/HK/QEX are really to blame for what's going on right now. What the hell did you do to stop it? Too busy posting on the forums I guess.


Oh and you CAN still farm with your 2-3 alts in C5/C6 space. It's just that CCP nerfed it to the point where many other forms of krabbing are just overall better/safer when you consider the factors of using capitals in w-space vs anything else really.

Did escalations need nerfing/balancing? Hell yeah they did, but CCP didn't need to fix them like you'd fix a dog.

Evictions are hardly the cause of high class decline. After our eviction we went right back to another c5-c5. Sure they certainly aren't good for Corp morale and takes a bit to build up again. If a group got evicted and never came back its because they put ALL their isk in the hole and had nothing liquid to fall back on if such an event occurred.

When we're ready we'll probably go back to c5-c5 whs cuz that's where we had the most fun, we just weren't prepared for an eviction (too small to defend). Blaming groups that are better than you for you being bad is a lazy excuse.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Every corp has their story for LSKYL it was that our prefered entertainment favored roaming null instead of scouting the then empty and desolate chains we found all too often in US timezone wormhole space. We moved to the c2 when the availability of wandering nulls was cut. Having a static null has been a great fit for us because now we can reliably scan one or two sigs and drop through the null for fun and games. Our 5 chain goes mostly ignored but if we found content their im sure we would start paying attention to it again.

The availability of wandering nulls was also responsible for our eventual move to a C2.

The other thing of note is that pre-2015 a lot of the mid-sized groups had disappeared, either into other groups, or were not willing/able to recruit in sufficient numbers to stay afloat as everyone left started bulking up.

I quite like the idea of the dread "mode" this could be done easily with a few changes:

1. Remove HAW
2. Make capital guns track similar to what HAW do now
3. Give siege a massive tracking penalty

4. Buff capital guns to do similar dps to what HAW do now (if needed, I think it does)


So with this there's going to be a very clear choice on what you are doing. On the one hand if you're there to clear subcaps you have the freedom to move and track smaller ships, however you can be killed very easily.

If you wanted to hunker down and shoot other capitals, siege up and start blapping, however don't even think about hitting a subcap.

The counter-argument to this is that it brings too much versatility to the field, right now the only ships that have this capability is the tactical destroyer and we probably won't be seeing t3 capitals anytime soon.

It is a problem specific to wormholes, since we can't just cyno out and refit, which is kind of why I like it as it is: you make a call to bring x ship on field to perform y function. You make the wrong call and you pay for it.

pretty sure if u asked anyone who you think got "forced" out of high class space what their reasons were, getting evicted will not be the thing they say.

I'd say "right back at ya" but I know you believe the garbage you spew.

Yes we have taken down a fair amount of them. However today we killed our first fitted Citadel on our own, without tagging on someone else taking down another.

If people had taken even the slightest hole control measures many of those citadels would've survived their anchoring timer. We've come through EOL statics as citadels start their final repair timer.

I think people need to adapt and actually use some strategy when it comes to anchoring these things, especially Fortizars. People actually fitting their capitals and utilizing them as opposed to sitting them inside their towers as glorified space toilets might be cool. Considering how powerful HAW dreads in groups are, or even Capital gun dreads supported by a couple vindicators.

You point out that about a dozen corps where or have not moved. Are you suggesting that all it takes for C6 and c5 space to be "full of content" you only need a dozen or so corps?