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suicide ganking (AKA risk free kills)
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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2016-08-24 15:02:35 UTC
Rulke Reynolds wrote:
God you guys are some sanctimonious F*****
I for one will gladly tell you how to farm scumbag botting miners for kills

Fit a catalyst with t2 neutron blasters, load void.

Max damage output with mag stabs and hybrid turret rigs (cheap)

Fit 2 cheap scrams

go to a 0.5 system and find some afk-botting miners (assume they are ALL botting coz they are)

use your D-scan to look for retrievers, covetors and hulks, they like ice fields in particular.

when u find them, make sure they havent got any hardeners on by looking at their ship hull and making sure it isnt flashing

Approach and without bumping him, park ur catalyst right on top of him and stop your ship. Dont **** around too long tho, if they see you on dscan or on grid they WILL know whats up... the thing is for this to work they have to be either botting or AFK. Which is why anyone who complains about it is a F*** head.

Overheat your guns, open fire and put ur two scrams on him. If all goes well, you will have popped him before u get concorded (and you WILL get concorded either way)

The point is you lose a crappy 10m (forgot exact cost) catalyst but u get a 30m covetor kill or if ur really lucky... a 200m hulk kill

Its cheap to do and easy to learn GO FORTH AND GRIEF THE BOTTERS!


Ten yard penalty for inappropriate use of 'Grief'.
Also, one player must remain in penalty box for 15 minutes due to your deliberate attempt to ruin our fun.

So it is written.
So it shall be done.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Galaxy Mule
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#22 - 2016-08-25 18:13:32 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Galaxy Mule wrote:
From what I've been able to gather from the anti-gankers, you just fit a t1 cat for 2 mil, target literally any mining ship (doesn't matter where) and press f1. Boom: 1 billion ISK profit.

From what I've been able to gather from CODE. - there aren't any actual miners in the game anyway - they are all bots. And without even touching their computers ever their bots actually afk-mine, sell the ore, buy PLEX, and plex their accounts.

Purely by coincidence most of them return to their computers the instant *after* they are ganked - and spew utterly random insults towards their attackers - incoherent gibberish... Almost as if it was randomly generated...


Have you considered that they are probably just NPCs introduced into the game by CCP to distract you and give you something to fight against?


Now that we've identified the problem, we can start working on solutions.
Humuhumunukunukuapua'a
Asteroid Farm Unlimited
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2016-08-26 08:05:25 UTC
meh suicide ganking is easy. ayone who says its not overpowered and shouldnt be changed is just enjoying the easy killmails and overpowered aspect of tear collection.

fact is, and they say it often as well so thats how you know its overpowered, you cant do anything about it. nada. zilch.

if youre in a freighter, youre dead. they can bump you, come with 10 catalysts, suicide gank and fail, wait out the 15 minute timer, come back, hit you again and again and again.

there is absolutely zero you can do about it.

i could care less. im not a freighter pilot. but that doesnt mean i dont have eyes.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#24 - 2016-08-26 08:26:50 UTC
Humuhumunukunukuapua'a wrote:
meh suicide ganking is easy. ayone who says its not overpowered and shouldnt be changed is just enjoying the easy killmails and overpowered aspect of tear collection.

fact is, and they say it often as well so thats how you know its overpowered, you cant do anything about it. nada. zilch.

if youre in a freighter, youre dead. they can bump you, come with 10 catalysts, suicide gank and fail, wait out the 15 minute timer, come back, hit you again and again and again.

there is absolutely zero you can do about it.

i could care less. im not a freighter pilot. but that doesnt mean i dont have eyes.

Yeah that isn't a thing anymore...

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Galaxy Mule
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#25 - 2016-08-26 19:09:34 UTC
lmao, all this thread needs is someone who can express their loathing for sucide ganking without also expressing their complete ignorance of it.
NotTheSmartestCookie
Shooting Blues Everyday
Gimme Da Loot
#26 - 2016-08-26 19:58:48 UTC
Humuhumunukunukuapua'a wrote:
meh suicide ganking is easy. ayone who says its not overpowered and shouldnt be changed is just enjoying the easy killmails and overpowered aspect of tear collection.

fact is, and they say it often as well so thats how you know its overpowered, you cant do anything about it. nada. zilch.

if youre in a freighter, youre dead. they can bump you, come with 10 catalysts, suicide gank and fail, wait out the 15 minute timer, come back, hit you again and again and again.

there is absolutely zero you can do about it.

i could care less. im not a freighter pilot. but that doesnt mean i dont have eyes.


That is after the nerf. Before the nerf we would get an eve mail every time a freighter undocked informing us of the cargo value and the destination that was set. We could kill them with 4 T1-fitted catalysts. And if the drop was less than 1B we always could petition CCP for ship reimbursement. True story.

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Humuhumunukunukuapua'a
Asteroid Farm Unlimited
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2016-08-27 05:00:34 UTC
NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:
Humuhumunukunukuapua'a wrote:
meh suicide ganking is easy. ayone who says its not overpowered and shouldnt be changed is just enjoying the easy killmails and overpowered aspect of tear collection.

fact is, and they say it often as well so thats how you know its overpowered, you cant do anything about it. nada. zilch.

if youre in a freighter, youre dead. they can bump you, come with 10 catalysts, suicide gank and fail, wait out the 15 minute timer, come back, hit you again and again and again.

there is absolutely zero you can do about it.

i could care less. im not a freighter pilot. but that doesnt mean i dont have eyes.


That is after the nerf. Before the nerf we would get an eve mail every time a freighter undocked informing us of the cargo value and the destination that was set. We could kill them with 4 T1-fitted catalysts. And if the drop was less than 1B we always could petition CCP for ship reimbursement. True story.



if it wasnt risk free and relatively easy, all you alts wouldnt be doing it. ive done it too, not since recent patches ill be honest.

its something nullbears can do when theres no one to blob in nullsec. make blue donut, get bored, do some risk free peeveepee. leet
Solecist Project
#28 - 2016-08-27 23:49:18 UTC
Well ..... he's not completely wrong..............

Ahem.

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Galaxy Mule
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#29 - 2016-08-28 19:17:55 UTC
Lmao "nullbear", "blob", "blue donut", this guy is like a charicature of a Highsec carebear.
Humuhumunukunukuapua'a
Asteroid Farm Unlimited
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2016-09-04 06:05:37 UTC
Galaxy Mule wrote:
Lmao "nullbear", "blob", "blue donut", this guy is like a charicature of a Highsec carebear.



except im not. i hate highsec. carebears are highsec. nullbears are people in null who think they are better than highsec carebears simply because they are f1 monkeys in null. the blue donut is all you tards afraid to risk damaging your killboard so you friend up everyone. and yes...everyone know all nullbears blob. thats a fact.
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#31 - 2016-09-04 06:43:00 UTC
Humuhumunukunukuapua'a wrote:
meh suicide ganking is easy. ayone who says its not overpowered and shouldnt be changed is just enjoying the easy killmails and overpowered aspect of tear collection.

fact is, and they say it often as well so thats how you know its overpowered, you cant do anything about it. nada. zilch.

if youre in a freighter, youre dead. they can bump you, come with 10 catalysts, suicide gank and fail, wait out the 15 minute timer, come back, hit you again and again and again.

there is absolutely zero you can do about it.

i could care less. im not a freighter pilot. but that doesnt mean i dont have eyes.

Sure the risk of being ganked in anything is always a constant threat. If someone wants you dead, can field enough alpha, and pull it,off then they have every right to that option. Ganking doesnt need to be driven by direct profit, but is simply another activity that the sandbox provides us.

Suicide ganking definitely has its strengths, but also has its counters the biggest of which is proper scouting / intel gathering, balancing your risk vs reward between cargo, fitting, and ship-type, using a webber, and having proper support when moving cargo in a capital ship (freighter). So the biggest issue with all of this is that it takes additional effort, time, and resources which is something that gankers also have to take into consideration and utilize in order to perform proper ganks. Example: a ganker without a scout and proper warp-in has a good chance of messing up some ganks... Just like a freighter pilot without a webber has a good chance of being bumped.

Ganking isnt broken, unfair, and/or griefing and is a part of the sandbox. So make smart decisions and put forth proper efforts to minimize your risk while undocked. If anything people need to complain about things like bypassing crimewatch by scooping wreck contents into the fleet hangar of a DST. Sure bumping is a controversial and touchy issue, but just like the points mentioned above... If you arent bad and put forth effort into your activities then you will see that flying around isnt as daunting as people make it out to be.

Ganking and gankers arent the boogieman. There are clear mechanics that make it possible to both gank and stop a gank. Take the time to educate yourself instead of pointing fingers and crying about how gankers out forth more effort and are rewarded with kills, loot, and tears.

This thread is done.

HTFU
Ded Akara
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-09-04 16:20:04 UTC
Don't like being ganked? Tank more. Simple, easy, effective.
Mufdiver
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-09-10 23:16:36 UTC
If suicide ganking is perfectly fine in the eyes of CCP's rules and considered emergent gameplay, then baiting newbies in the newbie sectors and blowing them out of the sky should also be considered emergent gameplay and be fine.

I guess its time to get my gank on :D
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#34 - 2016-09-10 23:23:19 UTC
Mufdiver wrote:
If suicide ganking is perfectly fine in the eyes of CCP's rules and considered emergent gameplay, then baiting newbies in the newbie sectors and blowing them out of the sky should also be considered emergent gameplay and be fine.

I guess its time to get my gank on :D

#1 - That is why there are also rules that explicitly state that rookie systems are protected areas and killing new players with any mechanic is punishable there if it isn't 100% consentual *on the new player's side*.

#2 - People already hang out and harvest rookies for kills. CCP has cracked down a couple of times - but every time their support staff gets overloaded and stops banning the idiots doing it they move back in to farm more easy kills... But sure, if you go suicide gank there it might wake them up long enough to ban you for a while.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-09-10 23:27:57 UTC
Mufdiver wrote:
If suicide ganking is perfectly fine in the eyes of CCP's rules and considered emergent gameplay, then baiting newbies in the newbie sectors and blowing them out of the sky should also be considered emergent gameplay and be fine.

I guess its time to get my gank on :D

Such dump on display

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Iain Cariaba
#36 - 2016-09-11 05:18:03 UTC
Victus Henley wrote:
suicide ganking is not risk free, it's calculated risk actually

It's not calculated risk. The phrase you're looking for is marginalized loss.
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#37 - 2016-09-11 05:35:08 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Victus Henley wrote:
suicide ganking is not risk free, it's calculated risk actually

It's not calculated risk. The phrase you're looking for is marginalized loss.

shutup

HTFU
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#38 - 2016-09-12 06:27:58 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Victus Henley wrote:
suicide ganking is not risk free, it's calculated risk actually

It's not calculated risk. The phrase you're looking for is marginalized loss.

if the gank fails then the ships are lost with no gain.
That's kind of risk in a sort of, I don't know, INTRINSIC fashion.
Yes, the ships are ALWAYS lost, so many people consider this a risk free operation, but that's patently untrue.
The forums are rife with stories of failed ganks, and there are various entities out there who take great pride in their ability to not die at the hands of the ne'er do wells.
The price is paid in advance, but the return is not guaranteed.

Just because the majority of pilots who suffer from these events are either not paying attention, are stupid, or both does not mean that the process is free of risk of failure and loss of assets without anything to show for it.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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