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What single change would encourage you to fly solo in lowsec?
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HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-08-25 15:41:15 UTC
I've been thinking for some time about ideas to tempt starving solo pvp pilots like myself into lowsec.
Along with poking you guys for some ideas you've had I wanted to run this simple one across.

What if aside from gate guns there was an actual police force that would respond to aggressors in lowsec?
Now before you get your knickers in a bind realize I'm not talking concord power but something more along the lines of level 3/4 ratts that provided bounties.
I know for myself if this were the case I would have lost 10x as many ships in lowsec because I would fly into low solo much more frequently knowing that at least I had a chance against the 5-10 pilots I'm going to face down alone.

As a solo pilot what ideas have some of you had that would tempt you into actually engaging in pvp in lowsec space?

Flame away...
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-08-25 16:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Cookies. I'd go to lowsec more if there were more cookies.


Seriously though, the people who want to go to lowsec already are. Those who do not want to be there aren't. You should be asking what would make people solo more, because that's the real issue - solo PvP is, for all intents and purposes, dead, and it has been for a while.

Why? Because friends is the force multiplier with no stacking penalty (and by friends I also mean alts). It's been that way since the first caveman bashed in his neighbor;s head with a rock, and it will be that way until the end of time.

Instead of trying to attract more people to fly solo in lowsec, you should be asking what would make them willingly forgo the support of a gang and fly solo at all. I will tell you right now, because it's fun is not a motivation. Fun is subjective and they think what they're doing is fun.

I get that there are some honest to goodness solo people out there. And I really feel bad for them - I do, because Eve is not that game anymore. It could be, but there's going to have be some kind of incentive for people to violate their natural instinct to gang up to bash the enemy, even if the enemy is alone.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-08-25 16:05:59 UTC
i don't like solo pvp *no flame*

this game is made to evolve the teamwork as further as possible.
for this reason i like small, medium gangs and large battles.

i'll leave the aswers to your questions to others.
good luck on your roams!
Big Lynx
#4 - 2016-08-25 16:10:48 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:


As a solo pilot what ideas have some of you had that would tempt you into actually engaging in pvp in lowsec space?

Flame away...


God mode
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-08-25 16:11:07 UTC
More single pilots in lowsec would simply continue to be additions to the locals KBs.
Solecist Project
#6 - 2016-08-25 16:18:22 UTC
Yes.... more police.
More governance.
More whining.
More worthless, self entitled workerbees.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7 - 2016-08-25 16:26:34 UTC
I have no problem going into lowsec as it is, and don't do a lot of solo, but get rid of OGB so that a solo fight is actually solo
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-08-25 16:41:55 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
I have no problem going into lowsec as it is, and don't do a lot of solo, but get rid of OGB so that a solo fight is actually solo


That's apparently slated for sometime in November/December timeframe to coincide with the Rorqual and Orca changes. Personally, I expect to see a bunch of link alts put through the Skill extractors and then biomassed.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#9 - 2016-08-25 16:49:42 UTC
I did low-sec solo a lot before, and wouldn't hesitate to do it now although 'it's not what it used to be'.

There is absolutely nothing holding you back from doing solo PvP in low sec. If ISK loss is problem you can fly very cheap ships so it's not an excuse unless you are still in trial period or something.

What hold people back, or put them off, is the idea that they want to fly solo and have 1v1 or fights at reasonable odds but the practical experience tell them they get gang banged by 'blob'.

Once you get into your head that low sec is a place where you can get gang banged, JUST LIKE how we preach high sec bears they should get it into their head they can get ganked any time (duh?), then there is no barrier.

Just like we tell HS bears they can shoot too, you can blob too in low sec.

If you fly solo and get blobbed, you should just lol and gf and get another ship out and try not to fall for the same trap again.

If you EXPECT to fly solo and get the fights you want and dodge the blobs you don't want, you need to work on your ability/local knowledge to meet your expectations.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#10 - 2016-08-25 17:00:36 UTC
Solutions looking for a problem thread.






☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#11 - 2016-08-25 17:05:38 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
I've been thinking for some time about ideas to tempt starving solo pvp pilots like myself into lowsec.
Along with poking you guys for some ideas you've had I wanted to run this simple one across.

What if aside from gate guns there was an actual police force that would respond to aggressors in lowsec?
Now before you get your knickers in a bind realize I'm not talking concord power but something more along the lines of level 3/4 ratts that provided bounties.
I know for myself if this were the case I would have lost 10x as many ships in lowsec because I would fly into low solo much more frequently knowing that at least I had a chance against the 5-10 pilots I'm going to face down alone.

As a solo pilot what ideas have some of you had that would tempt you into actually engaging in pvp in lowsec space?

Flame away...

There is only 1 even vaguely realistic thing that would make more solo players go to low-sec:


If people already in low-sec gave up their strangle-hold on their home systems and didn't form fleets to gate camp or roam killing targets of opportunity (aka: solo pilots)

In theory this could be voluntary - in practice I suspect it would require a great deal of sustained violence - and you would need to find a large entity (or multiple entities) to perform this violence with no interest or intention in simply moving into the vacated space and taking it for themselves afterwards....



Now if you want unrealistic solutions that involve changing game mechanics:

- Remove all current security + sec status hits. Remove gate guns. but just remove the ability to shoot anybody while on grid with a gate at all (aka: remove gate-camping forcibly)...
- Remove jump bridging from the game entirely - make everybody use the gates like everyone else

etc...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#12 - 2016-08-25 17:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: HeXxploiT
Toobo wrote:
I did low-sec solo a lot before, and wouldn't hesitate to do it now although 'it's not what it used to be'.

There is absolutely nothing holding you back from doing solo PvP in low sec. If ISK loss is problem you can fly very cheap ships so it's not an excuse unless you are still in trial period or something.

What hold people back, or put them off, is the idea that they want to fly solo and have 1v1 or fights at reasonable odds but the practical experience tell them they get gang banged by 'blob'.

Once you get into your head that low sec is a place where you can get gang banged, JUST LIKE how we preach high sec bears they should get it into their head they can get ganked any time (duh?), then there is no barrier.

Just like we tell HS bears they can shoot too, you can blob too in low sec.

If you fly solo and get blobbed, you should just lol and gf and get another ship out and try not to fall for the same trap again.

If you EXPECT to fly solo and get the fights you want and dodge the blobs you don't want, you need to work on your ability/local knowledge to meet your expectations.


Well something you're missing is that if you're pvping in cheap ships there's not much of a reward as you don't have much to lose. I never understood the attraction of pvp when you have nothing to fear. It feels cheap.
Flying in an expensive ship is another story. There's nothing like actually risking a $50 space ship and the adrenaline that comes with this risk. However if the risk is So great then why do it at all? This is where lowsec currently stands for the solo pilot.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2016-08-25 17:09:45 UTC
T3 nerfed into balance.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2016-08-25 17:14:56 UTC
HeXxploiTs for Bumble

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-08-25 17:15:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
T3 nerfed into balance.


Nooooooo! lol
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#16 - 2016-08-25 17:17:35 UTC
IMO CCP should never make changes with an eye towards getting more people to do something;. CCP should provide a reasonable backdrop and let players figure it out on their own (as an example, CCP DEVs themselves said it was a toss up between "sovless sov and aegis sov, I wish sovless had won).

There is no 'fix' for people ganging up on you other than the fixes people have figured out for themselves, namely: be the kind of player that knows how to fight blobs and win

or

follow the standard rules for a gunfight.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#17 - 2016-08-25 17:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
I agree blobbing is part of the game and shouldn't be removed - that is why my reasonable solution was violently blobbing them harder until they all leave P

As for "knowing how to fight solo"....sure - but most people don't know how. And even when you do know how to fight outnumbered, there is only so much you can counter when every other group has supercapitals waiting to drop on the nearest rookie ship...

As for the standard rules for the gunfight: most people do follow them - that is why *most* solo players no longer bother going to low-sec.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#18 - 2016-08-25 17:25:26 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:

Well something you're missing is that if you're pvping in cheap ships there's not much of a reward as you don't have much to lose. I never understood the attraction of pvp when you have nothing to fear. It feels cheap.
Flying in an expensive ship is another story. There's nothing like actually risking a $50 space ship and the adrenaline that comes with this risk. However if the risk is So great then why do it at all? This is where lowsec currently stands for the solo pilot.


I get what you are saying, but I'm not missing anything. Cheap ship example was just to illustrate that if ISK is an issue, people can get around it. Perosnally I only fly T2 or T3, and sometimes pirate faction, with at least one or two faction mods.

I'm addicted to risk & rush, I go head first with brawling solo fits (I'm not too fond of kiting). Yes I do get blobbed from time to time, but that's just how things are. You can't expect to be beating someone up in local gang land without some other thugs turning up for action.

I risk a lot on many things, and I like it when it works out. But when I risked it and lose it, I don't suggest game mechanics change.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2016-08-25 17:27:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
T3 nerfed into balance.


Still waiting for that Tengu fit, baltec.

Man we sure see a lot of tengu fleets these day, and no one using Cerbs, so it should be super easy for you to dig out a tengu fit that outranges and outmoves a cerb.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#20 - 2016-08-25 17:41:30 UTC
Off grid boosts would have to go away. Then who knows maybe more people would come? I think there needs to be more than just FW maybe make 1 and 2/10 warpable without probing?

@lunettelulu7
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