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Crosspost from Reddit: Why are the Eve Forums so Horrible?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#101 - 2016-08-23 15:15:18 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Can I trade this job for what's behind door number 1?



CCP is actually paying you guys now?



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#102 - 2016-08-23 15:21:05 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Can I trade this job for what's behind door number 1?



CCP is actually paying you guys now?





I get dank memes.

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.

Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#103 - 2016-08-23 21:10:22 UTC
Funny that r/eve users are complaining about over moderation and lack of down voting, while I think that the forums are well moderated and can't stand the down voting cliques on r/eve.

Doesn't mean it doesn't have a place in the world, I still read it.

No issues with the ISD here, they're right, it's a thankless job, one I have had to do before.

So, while r/eve folks may hate you ISD guys, I say thank you for keeping the place pretty clean and a safe place for everyone to have an opinion.

r/eve is just a lot of gutter sniper wars that if there was sanity there, that's the stuff that would get down voted. Instead, it's just the lords of chaos having their fun, which can be fun to watch, I just feel like I need a shower after reading it.

I also wish the format was better and more readable. Even the reddit readers I have played with haven't been able to fix its readability.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#104 - 2016-08-24 05:50:08 UTC
Caco De'mon wrote:
...and another thread locked with no reason given...I see why so many have made the migration to R....


Any thread locked by ISD has a good reason behind it, and we will post the rule broken in the locking post. We strive to be as transparent as possible so you know exactly what's up.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#105 - 2016-08-24 06:01:22 UTC
It would be nice if those threads locked for redundancy had a link to an original thread in them. That would make sure the original thread exists and is unlocked.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#106 - 2016-08-24 06:17:25 UTC
Kaybella Hakaari wrote:
It would be nice if those threads locked for redundancy had a link to an original thread in them. That would make sure the original thread exists and is unlocked.


I'll keep that in mind for future threads, thanks.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#107 - 2016-08-24 14:59:19 UTC
Kaybella Hakaari wrote:
It would be nice if those threads locked for redundancy had a link to an original thread in them. That would make sure the original thread exists and is unlocked.


Some of the redundant threads are locked and redundant because they got locked in the first place and the poster didn't take the hint the first time.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#108 - 2016-08-24 16:06:30 UTC
I don't know what people are saying about us not having a down vote option, we do.

You login, find the gobby fecker and shoot him in the goddamn mouth.
Simple.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2016-08-24 16:07:07 UTC
Player forums seem to reflect the state of the game pretty accurately, whether on Reddit or over here. Dead sub-forums and topics avoided are a very good indication of how players regard aspects of the game. It's not always an indication that those aspects are sufficiently well-regarded not to require comment or discussion.

I come here because - as someone mentioned, above - there is discussion of Highsec, my home. There's not too much talk about Highsec on Reddit. But I do glance over at Reddit, every day. Considering that the bulk of the material doesn't involve me, it says something about the attraction of r/eve. There are some good posters; by which I mean people who have good ideas and can write about them effectively.

I'll probably be unpopular for saying this, but to hell with it. Here on EVE-O I get really frustrated by people who don't do their prep. They don't think before or while they write; they don't consider that someone may read their stuff and that , therefore, it should be presented reasonably. This isn't about poor spelling or grammar - those are merely minor annoyances for me. It's about content and presentation.

There have been many threads where I've thought, 'I want to say something about that'. But I held off, either because one of the forum regulars covered the point or because, on reflection, what I had to say wasn't actually that good/funny/original.

It has become so bad that, good point or not, I simply won't read walls of paragraph-less text. If you can't bother, why should I?

So I think Reddit is ok, but these forums are what I regard as 'home'. I just wish there was more self-moderation...

'Local' is highly suited to carry 'Chat'. These boards seem frequently to be home to a curious hybrid communication system, falling somewhere between Chat and Discussion. It's not very successful much of the time. But still, here I am....
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#110 - 2016-08-24 16:12:09 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Can I trade this job for what's behind door number 1?



CCP is actually paying you guys now?



I get dank memes.


Make sure to put that on your CV.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Aen Clarke
MAYHEM BOYZ
#111 - 2016-08-24 17:57:57 UTC
This is probably the best gamingforum out there. Lol. (?)
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#112 - 2016-08-24 18:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
I think you are way off, OP. The forums here technically are pretty great. There were a couple of things that were not brought over from the old forums that I miss:

  1. We used to be able to have a small graphic gamer tag as our signature. It was fun to see the creativity of other players and afforded pods the opportunity to inject a little of their personal style into their posts. It made it easier to get a vibe of the player. It's a damn shame that was removed and I think it was a mistake.

  2. Post formatting: we used to have colors. The posts, especially mega-posts, just looked a lot more engaging. Hell, you see ISD posting images left and right just in this thread. It's too bad us GP players can't do that anymore, and this thread is a great demo of why. ISD is doing it because its fun(ny). It is. So how about the rest of us?

Other than that, find me a better gaming forum. There's a lot going on in EvE, and so there's a lot that needs to be happening technically in these forums. I'm one of the first to bitc* about CCP's many screw ups. These forums are not one of them. CCP did a great job here. If you have a problem with these forums I would bet it has more to do with the player base than the forums we are on now.

Just my 2 ISK...

Signatures should be used responsibly...

TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#113 - 2016-08-25 02:53:22 UTC
I just finished reading this entire thread.
Why, I wonder?

Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.

Solecist Project
#114 - 2016-08-25 08:55:27 UTC
TackyTachy1 wrote:
I just finished reading this entire thread.
Why, I wonder?
You did well.
Nicely done!

*pats you on the back* :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#115 - 2016-08-25 14:52:23 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov mentioned that some folks here don't do their homework before they post. That's entirely true. Those that don't get schooled/trolled pretty fast and it ends up educating the poster or at least making the thread fun for everyone. I think that's kind of what Ralph KG was getting at but maybe I didn't do enough homework on that first.

r/eve is RIFE with posters that are clueless about what they are saying. There they rely on the downvote system to nerf the post into obscurity. Here, such threads also end up on the back pages by just the passage of time. If they are bad enough they get locked and that's that.

So both forum types have their moderation ways, one is community moderated with the only rule being popular vote, the other is... moderated by volunteers from the community that have to follow rules set by the host.

That, in a nutshell, explains the good and bad of each system. Post where you like, you suffer the patience of the community in either case after you hit that POST button. In that sense, both systems are identical.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#116 - 2016-08-25 15:36:16 UTC
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov mentioned that some folks here don't do their homework before they post. That's entirely true. Those that don't get schooled/trolled pretty fast and it ends up educating the poster or at least making the thread fun for everyone. I think that's kind of what Ralph KG was getting at but maybe I didn't do enough homework on that first.

r/eve is RIFE with posters that are clueless about what they are saying. There they rely on the downvote system to nerf the post into obscurity. Here, such threads also end up on the back pages by just the passage of time. If they are bad enough they get locked and that's that.

So both forum types have their moderation ways, one is community moderated with the only rule being popular vote, the other is... moderated by volunteers from the community that have to follow rules set by the host.

That, in a nutshell, explains the good and bad of each system. Post where you like, you suffer the patience of the community in either case after you hit that POST button. In that sense, both systems are identical.

Yeah that's one thing I like about the forum,
your ignorance and /or misinformed notions get confronted immediately and usually at length,
To varying degrees of civility depending upon your attitude.

Hell I ended up in devil's because I posted some hilariously shitfit legion losses, got roundly thrashed for them and took it on the chin with a good attitude.
Solecist Project
#117 - 2016-08-25 19:10:56 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
This isn't about poor spelling or grammar - those are merely minor annoyances for me.

...

a curious hybrid communication system, falling somewhere between Chat and Discussion. It's not very successful much of the time. But still, here I am....


Yo ain' talkin' **** 'bout ma gramma do ya?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2016-08-26 06:03:56 UTC
OK, I will use my mad powers and institute a shutdown of the forums and demand something better.

May take a bit of time but . . . I know you are all patient.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Serene Repose
#119 - 2016-08-26 06:22:42 UTC
Only thing that makes these forums horrible are REDDIT people posting here. You REDDITs stay home, you'll never know the difference, but we certainly will. TYVM in advance.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2016-08-26 06:36:53 UTC
Not sure if they cleaned it up but forums here were full of hateful spiteful people who were never reined in when breaking rules or making disgusting personal attacks on others. At least on Reddit there is some semblance of control. They also dont arbitrarily lock posts if they dont personally agree with the thread.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)