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Crosspost from Reddit: Why are the Eve Forums so Horrible?

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Solecist Project
#61 - 2016-08-22 20:16:27 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
EVE management posting on Reddit instead of here should be fired for disloyalty.

Loyalty towards which part of the divided EVE community?

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2016-08-22 20:20:37 UTC
One could ask the same question about the EVE subreddit and the gigantic mountains of filth it produces on a daily basis.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#63 - 2016-08-22 21:06:50 UTC
Over moderation of EvE forums led to more enjoyment on Reddit's.

These were fun until the hypocrisy became overbearing.
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#64 - 2016-08-22 21:23:49 UTC
Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly.
RMT is such a huge aspect of the life and uniqueness that is eve and is involved in both high end politics and PVP but you can't talk about it here. The risk, reward & VALUE is at the very core of what makes eve special which is why whenever we talk about a big battle we talk about how much $$$ was lost. This kicks eve up a notch from just a game.

So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions.
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#65 - 2016-08-22 21:45:05 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi
... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project


Go make a funny thread!
It'll be appreciated!


I get your point, but the thing is I can already read funny posts on R/EVE or post funny post there with less restrictions than here. TBH. I am very pragmatic of nature and I don't feel any responsiblity towards these forums (or the players here who don't want to use other platforms), when there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums. It is not lazyness, it is using something that is already there and working better IMO. This is just my opinion though, and there are probably plenty people out there finding that these forums are super important.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
#66 - 2016-08-22 21:51:43 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly ...

So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions.



This. I don't like reddit much but at least you can talk about contentious issues there. Here you'll just get your thread locked and often quietly deleted and possibly a ban for your efforts. CCP's resorted to mass bannings many times over the years to try and silence contentious issues. So what you end up is what you have here, a harem of yes-men and fanboys who'll avoid contentious issues at all costs.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2016-08-22 22:09:04 UTC
I like how arbitrary moderation is one of the chief talking points in the link, and this thread hasn't been locked for violating the rule on discussion of forum moderation.

How... arbitrary.

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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#68 - 2016-08-22 23:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
Gneeznow wrote:
a harem of yes-men and fanboys who'll avoid contentious issues at all costs.

Lol, you obviously haven't read much GD. Your statement couldn't be any much further off the mark.

Redditers cannot complain on one hand that the Eve Forums are constantly complaining about the game, and then on the other hand complain that Eve Forums are full of 'yes men'.

A typical ill thought out Reddit esque comment...

If anything Reddit is the place in which you cannot say anything contentious, because if you do then your post will be down-voted into oblivion if you are not following the herd.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#69 - 2016-08-23 01:40:10 UTC
That upvoting and downvoting system is probably good for sorting good jokes, recipes, DIY tips, and stuff like that from bad ones. But seems pretty primitive for discussions about more subjective, complicated things. Some historical examples:
-Van Gogh on reddit, 1889. Weirdo who posts weird shite posts. Can't even paint a proper realistic painting with contours and shadows. Downvoted to oblivion.

-Nietzsche on reddit, 1899. Another weirdo, but an aggressive, argumentative one, peeing in everybody's Cheerios bowl. Downvoted straight into the black hole.

-Galilleo on reddit, 1619. Not only downvoted away, but pissed everybody off so much that got an indefinite ban.

If popular popularity = quality, that explains why Bieber and Kardashian are so excellent, right?

The other thing is at least half of all EVE players are ninnies and twits with the mentality of a teenage guy in a high school locker room. Or stray dogs in a pick-up dog pack. Once somebody gets in a good Alpha zinger in on a poster, a lot will follow the lead and get a shot in on the Beta guy too. You see it all the time here on the EVE forums. (Well, you used to at least, when forums were more lively). The momentum starts rolling one way, and people jump into the winning side and post that way. (There was some rage during WWB about this).

That's in EVE forums, where you have to actually post something with a real or alt char, and be ready for somebody to maybe call shite on you. reddit, it's just a casual, anonymous click of up or down. You can do it in less than a second, then be on your way to looking for wherever else you think you might find some internet fun. Rule by Quick Gratificationocracy.
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#70 - 2016-08-23 03:12:46 UTC
Reddit is for chest beating and smack talking. The forums are for intelligent conversation. I hate reddit posting style though.
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#71 - 2016-08-23 06:49:03 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
The forums are for intelligent conversation.


Each to his own of what is defined as intelligent conversation. I find though that these forums are full of circular discussions with people just repeating the same things over and over, moving no where. As the posts stay here for a long time, the threads keep getting necroed by people discussing something offtopic in far too much detail leading to unfruitful discussion leaving the involved parts more bitter than when they started IMO. Go through many of the threads here, check out the dates, check how much discussion is on topic and tell me that is not the case (you can also check out the posting history of the notorious Lucas Kell for great examples). This for me is not intelligent discussion. on R EVE these posts will be out of sight pretty fast and people will not linger in unproductive discussion. That is the big differene for me.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Solecist Project
#72 - 2016-08-23 07:51:44 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
The forums are for intelligent conversation.


Each to his own of what is defined as intelligent conversation. I find though that these forums are full of circular discussions with people just repeating the same things over and over, moving no where. As the posts stay here for a long time, the threads keep getting necroed by people discussing something offtopic in far too much detail leading to unfruitful discussion leaving the involved parts more bitter than when they started IMO. Go through many of the threads here, check out the dates, check how much discussion is on topic and tell me that is not the case (you can also check out the posting history of the notorious Lucas Kell for great examples). This for me is not intelligent discussion. on R EVE these posts will be out of sight pretty fast and people will not linger in unproductive discussion. That is the big differene for me.



Solecist Project wrote:

You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi
... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project


Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#73 - 2016-08-23 08:08:58 UTC
I've never felt the EVE forums to be horrible in any way shape or form.
I've always found it easy to read and follow threads. the moderation is within what should be expected on a gaming companies forums.

i do however often think to myself, this game is played by adults, yes there is a few younger people playing but i think we can all agree the average player in EVE is older than 12 (a lot older )

so honest question here.

does the Pegi 12 rating have anything to do with what can be said here and what cannot be said?

I'm sure it does and would explain why we have the moderation we do.

I'm no fan of the split, if ya have something to say about EVE you should be able to say it here without finding yourself banned or muted, and that leads us to why reddit has any interest for the EVE community.

still it all comes down to one thing, when you accept the rules on a forum the discussion is pretty much over.

rules and moderation are needed or it all goes to shite real fast.

ISD do a great job, met a couple of you guys over the years at fanfest.
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2016-08-23 08:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Solecist Project wrote:


Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm...


Lazy reading, no wish to understand or what is up?

I have engaged with many intelligent and good arguments (according to me) over the years (many of which you have also taken part). This is not my RL job though, and as the negativity of these forums affect my mood in RL, I will pass and continue to my stuff on reddit. Eve is just entertainment for me nothing more.

And you misunderstand: I was just explaning why I think these forums are horrible, not how to change it as I don't care (I honestly dislike these forums after years running against the wall, and some simple primal part of me is amused by the decline in activity here caused by all the negativity and bad discussions here creating more negativity.. and round and round we go... watching the forums burn to ashes .. dead... cold ... inactive...etc.. etc..Twisted).

And don't be mistaken you are the one who needs these forums to do your meta stuff, not me (my enjoyment mostly come from playing the game with my corp). While symphathetic to your cause, you also have to accept that some people are just not as invested in EVE(The forums) as you are, without that it means that society is on a deroute or that we need a change in society Blink...

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Solecist Project
#75 - 2016-08-23 08:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
sero Hita wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:


Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm...


Lazy reading, no wish to understand or what is up?

I have engaged with many intelligent and good arguments (according to me) over the years (many of which you have also taken part). This is not my RL job though, and as the negativity of these forums affect my mood in RL, I will pass and continue to my stuff on reddit. Eve is just entertainment for me nothing more.

And you misunderstand: I was just explaning why I think these forums are horrible, not how to change it as I don't care (I honestly dislike these forums after years running against the wall, and some simple primal part of me is amused by the decline in activity here caused by all the negativity and bad discussions here creating more negativity.. and round and round we go... watching the forums burn to ashes .. dead... cold ... inactive...etc.. etc..Twisted).

And don't be mistaken you are the one who needs these forums to do your meta stuff, not me (my enjoyment mostly come from playing the game with my corp). While symphathetic to your cause, you also have to accept that some people are just not as invested in EVE(The forums) as you are, without that it means that society is on a deroute or that we need a change in society Blink...

Hey, I play my way!
It's a sandbox, I can play any way i wanna!

Lol sorry, it was just too fitting... ;)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#76 - 2016-08-23 09:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
I've never felt the EVE forums to be horrible in any way shape or form.
I've always found it easy to read and follow threads. the moderation is within what should be expected on a gaming companies forums.

i do however often think to myself, this game is played by adults, yes there is a few younger people playing but i think we can all agree the average player in EVE is older than 12 (a lot older )

so honest question here.

does the Pegi 12 rating have anything to do with what can be said here and what cannot be said?

I'm sure it does and would explain why we have the moderation we do.

I'm no fan of the split, if ya have something to say about EVE you should be able to say it here without finding yourself banned or muted, and that leads us to why reddit has any interest for the EVE community.

still it all comes down to one thing, when you accept the rules on a forum the discussion is pretty much over.

rules and moderation are needed or it all goes to shite real fast.

ISD do a great job, met a couple of you guys over the years at fanfest.


Totally agree on the first bit. I think the community is much harder on itself than it really needs to be. Some of the discussion here, especially in GD, is often more informative than most other places.

But, I guess it's easier to be close minded than open minded and that often comes with a view that other people's views are not valid. Unfortunate, but it will never change (and discussion here will continue to be useful, even if some people want to put the community, or individual members of it, down).

As for the PEGI 12 question, the classificant strictly applies to the game, not the forum:

http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/33/

PEGI 12
Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category. Any bad language in this category must be mild and fall short of sexual expletives.

However, since we all operate under the 1 EULA, I guess it applies here too, but more through CCP policy than PEGI requirement.
Solecist Project
#77 - 2016-08-23 10:02:08 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/33/

PEGI 12
Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category. Any bad language in this category must be mild and fall short of sexual expletives.

****! i should have been permabanned long ago! :(

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#78 - 2016-08-23 11:08:41 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi
... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project


Go make a funny thread!
It'll be appreciated!


I get your point, but the thing is I can already read funny posts on R/EVE or post funny post there with less restrictions than here. TBH. I am very pragmatic of nature and I don't feel any responsiblity towards these forums (or the players here who don't want to use other platforms), when there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums. It is not lazyness, it is using something that is already there and working better IMO. This is just my opinion though, and there are probably plenty people out there finding that these forums are super important.

I missed an important detail about your response.

Your orientation is "consumerism".
No clue how to word that better.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#79 - 2016-08-23 11:21:12 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
... there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums ...

2 issues with this...

#1: Well Functioning? I've heard Reddit's community called a lot of things...but rarely *that*...

#2: Do you not find it dull limiting yourself to a group that all think the same way, and simply vote away any discussions that don't match their own general views? I find it very hard to believe that any *truly* controversial topics are ever discussed there - since by the very definition anything the people in your community view as "controversial" will be down-voted out of existence before meaningful conversation can take place... Sometimes there is value in seeing opposing viewpoints, and even in having a pointless argument just to better understand the mind-set of the other side.

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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#80 - 2016-08-23 11:32:54 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly.
RMT is such a huge aspect of the life and uniqueness that is eve and is involved in both high end politics and PVP but you can't talk about it here. The risk, reward & VALUE is at the very core of what makes eve special which is why whenever we talk about a big battle we talk about how much $$$ was lost. This kicks eve up a notch from just a game.

So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions.


Reddit is hardly open and honest compared to 4chan. The whole idea of getting vote-bombed is a thing, a way of stifling opinions you don't like.