Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Baltec is usually a pretty solid class act.

And I don't think anyone in this game knows the Mega as well as he does.

Sure it may not NEED to be changed....



But I can also see argument for could do with a change.

Why at least I say you are a fair man.

Same myself , I have -1'd a few because if implemented I know for sure I'd have some fun. Start to play with derived values, i.e. not the ones on the top screen of fitting tool of choice, sometime you find new recipes that are quite fun.

Or as I am almost sure your mega's rely on fleet support. You trade one or 2 things...buts its all good since in a fleet it probably is covered...in abundance. I have tackleless frigates for example....15 mofo's tackling 1 less tackle not end of world. Not fitting tackle on a wolf....I go MSE and full lows to damage mods and stuff dies much faster. Say 12 ships and my missing tackle lost the fight....something about that was lost already. and it wasn't my fit.



I have seen your mega ideas for a while, probably why we saw the nerfs since many like you said if we want to go fast...old school fits won't work. . When one drops the classic ideology of BSs must have dps and ehp....magic happens. For these people who disagree, google blops fits. Many,besides redeemer, get neither ehp or dps. you get creative in these cases....sometimes it works really well. Same applies to T1. Or some fun and interesting gank vindi fits. These came out of nowhere....jacked your ass up...and disappeared. High ehp ,bash style classic fits they were not.

This is an example of an unimaginative player not understanding an entire class of hulls because they are unwilling to try something new or are unwilling to think for themselves.

I am very curious on your own take at 'understanding' the whole Battleship class.

I understand you flew a Mega with equal or superior speed to an Assault Frigate gang in the past - With cruiser equivalent tank and firepower (less application) and lets face it, abysmal scan resolution, so vastly inferior to the AF in that regard. But yet, a nice token Battleship in a fast roam.

Now, please enlighten us on the many secret ways and outstandingly different roles and out-of-the-box uses of Battleships?

Uses that that will actually work with BS bonuses and utilities. If it is reduced to frigate dps and cruiser tank, what is then the point, isn't it? Except for bait ofc.

And yeah, I can imagine a mining BS, smarties fit or a small/medium unbonused weapon fits.

Nano MJD hyperion. Very long range, designed to bait tackle into chasing it where upon it will snipe it. When tackle gets too close it MJD's out, blaps a few more targets then warps. Bonkers to fly and silly effective.

The trap card raven. Armour tanked raven with mids full of webs and tackle with rapid lights in the highs ad neuts. Designed to rip frigates a new one and lets face it, what frigate gang wont go for a solo raven.

Roaming mega, fitted as normal only one rig replace with a hyperspacial, 2x implants to hit 3au/sec, magic web and blasters. Will be able to kill even interceptors.

Super cane. Like the cane of old, only larger. Tempest fitted like the old cane. Fast, nasty, cheap.

Violence brick. Smartboming rokh, also comes with a mjd for the ability to make people rage by vaporizing the tackle frigates then moonwalking into the night.

Ludicrous speedster. Its a mach, a mach that will go 11 AU/sec yet loses none of its tank or firepower.

I could keep on going with fit after fit for the next week. The only problem with battleships is that people think they are no good so don't try them.

I think another issue is for many the fleet sanctioned BS fits became too much of an overriding idea of how to fit a bs.


Which is odd for a few reasons. Based on the few homes I was in the BS fits tended be generic. And often based on a clear assumption they would roll out with caps or when in space poor homes...other BS'. Cruisers and frigs can be faster and it was okay...they were scouts lol. better them than us finding a camp to die in.. When your primary partner you are rolling out with is as slow as you if not slower....speed not really factored in. As seen a few times it was not liked even. the unlucky in a BS who landed on pos first to be instapopped scenario.


Other reason is after the called op done, people readily switched to non fleet more fun fit cruisers, bc's, etc on their fun roams. Fleet fits to me can be a simple case of check mark in the box to get FRP/SRP. Want the FRP/SRP...run the fleet fit. Fun roams not covered under this usually...so you ditch the vanilla for the fun stuff.


Looking at eve over the years we saw for example armour tankers going shield fit on roams. Fixed a few issues with them...and the effect warranted not using their real tank. Concessions made here...but that never followed to the BS' for some.

Like with your caldari BS ideas...I can or have seen them work (smarty rokh a mainstay of eve, your raven is new looking to me...and looks very interesting).

Caldari tends to make you creative I found while flying them. When not EHP or DPS monsters by an large...screw it, lets get creative. Accept you will never be at levels of the other races (instant hit of guns for raven or scorpion, or in rokhs case no boost to damage from damage, tracking, rof per level bonus), move on and play with some things.

Yep because zkill is the be all and end all of assessing people skill Its fairly well known I know my battleships and I have a reputation in null for making them do things you consider impossible. You on the other hand are well known for not understanding the game much at all.




And what frigate is going to engage a solo cerb in this day and age? Its a trap card, they are far more likely to attack a solo raven and will not be expecting it to rain down rapid lights, nuets and have enough webs and tackle to hold multiple ships down. The armour tank keeps them in place because they see the shields going down which must mean they are killing it.

Its gets the BS out and about though. In the meta of speed that has BS not liked....its better than nothing really. he is woking with what the system gives.

As, well, this is not most likely going to change. Warp speed was dropped as a form of balance. BS slow, cruiser bit faster, frigate faster than that.

That and kind of a bad argument as these cruiser/frig roams tend to work under the same setup. Unless a themed only this hac roam or some of you all are RP'ing hard and its Amarr or go go home fleet nights....I gather a few comps out there mix it up (ship type, race, specs of the ships). And these mixes cover shortcomings of the other ships in fleet.

yes another ship could be better granted. But oh well...any x up fleet is still another player. Plus hating to go caod route...his crew at least when I banged heads with them was never short of x ups for fleets. Fleet could have its required "normal" requirements met anyway. Some FC's once they have that met...are down with the off the wall fits. Not all crews have to boost to 100% tax rate to get people to stop ratting and in fleets lol.

Called a pig and compared to rolf harris yet I'm the one insulting people

Why exactly should I be nice to you people?

The reason this is a **** plan has been explained, buff the BS to cruiser speed and you get cruiser pilots demanding faster warp speeds, buff them and you have frigate pilots demanding faster warp speeds. Buff them and you are not only back to where you started but you have just made in system warp distances meaningless.

To get a battleship up to 3au requires just one rig slot and 2 implants (I have said this multiple times) which is just one fitting slot on your ship. If using that one rig slot is too much sacrifice for you then your fitting abilities are indeed poor.

Everyone knows you don't use large neuts on small ships because of the cycle time...