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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#221 - 2016-08-22 05:23:53 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Bullshit.

You can fight back you just cant or wont use the methods required to do it. Youve always had them available to you but you're such a bunch of paranoid disorganised idiots that you constantly fail and never seem to realise why.

And since you trumpeted that POCO kill so much I have a counter proposal.

Hey CODE guys if you want to make some catalyst money somewhere I guarantee those people will never try to stop you why not look up our extensive lowsec POCO network, we just added 50 more offices to the 1000+ we already own so theres bound to be one near you somewhere. Ask in Shadow Cartels public channel for contact details.

And believe me AGs, you are welcome to try and take them from us.


Why don't you go and shoot CODE seeing as you are so professional?


Because I dont give a **** about them, they have zero effect on my game or my ability to play. I'm merely making a suggestion that would bring us some extra business and maybe some pew if a miracle happened and the AGs actually got organised and ventured out of highsec.


I am a bit amused to see a low sec pirate group suggesting that a hisec militia group that fights ganking in hisec should go and blap the pox ridden POCO's of Shadow Cartel in low sec. That does not make any sense whatsoever.

Also in terms of your previous post it was hot air, you lot have no way of fighting CODE, you would be damn useless at it.

SC are hunters, hunting CODE. or their assets wouldn't be much of a problem for them... unlike you they do more ingame pvp than forum pvp Lol


Actually this weekend we had a lot of success stopping the freigter gankers and when they did kill one the loot fairy was especially kind to AG. Most of them logged off in disgust after they failed to gank a JF, which managed to get into warp as their gank fleet arrived and then cynoed out when it jumped into Kaap. The best part was one of the gankers getting really salty when we saved an Orca...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#222 - 2016-08-22 05:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Good to hear it, but all you are doing is disrupting them. Considering the amount of assets they destroy, the mechanics should be put in place so that we can do real damage to them.

And if they fight for their ability to gank, and succeed, than they deserve to be killing jump freighters everyday. But for now, we cant see if that is the case. They are protected and operate with impunity from real consequence.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#223 - 2016-08-22 05:42:37 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Why would we want to fight CODE, their antics and the utter uselessness of the people trying to fight them are hilarious.

Its almost as amusing as the people who think I'm a CODE supporter just because I think most antigankers are complete idiots, or the guys who think that because I said 'hey I saw some of your POCOs died, come and use ours instead' and warned we would defend them if people tried to kill them that I'm somehow demanding people come and fight us.

Do as you wish, we'll carry on giving zero fucks about your opinions just like always.


I just think you are a useless troll, on one hand you talk about CODE not affecting you, which is evident you are in lowsec, the next thing you decide that AG should man up and blap your POCO's in lowsec. You are obviously butthurt over something, but I can't quite work out why you would think AG would 'man up' and have interest in your POCO's, it just seems utterly inane to me and I have you marked as a shrill for CODE.

I certainly give zero fecks about you and your opinions, yet another loud mouth HTFU poster shrilling for CODE. Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#224 - 2016-08-22 06:21:46 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:
They are protected and operate with impunity from real consequence.

I am curious on why you think this way. Please give me some examples that support your claim here.

And I am sure those on the opposite side can say how all these nerfs to ganking have been thrown down upon them (and the list is quite long) and yet they still adapt to continue, even with CCP interfering with it.

We don't need nerfs, we need carebears to start paying attention.

You first...
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#225 - 2016-08-22 06:44:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
They are protected and operate with impunity from real consequence.

I am curious on why you think this way. Please give me some examples that support your claim here.

And I am sure those on the opposite side can say how all these nerfs to ganking have been thrown down upon them (and the list is quite long) and yet they still adapt to continue, even with CCP interfering with it.

We don't need nerfs, we need carebears to start paying attention.

You first...


Let me start off by saying that I was a ganker in the past, and made tens of billions blowing up afk ships on gates in jita with smartbomb fitted typhoons. More nerfs to ganking is not the answer, I am firmly against changes to bumping, increasing ehp, etc., I think ganking should be easier to acheive. CCP have been approaching suicide ganking incorrectly for years. Giving players the ability to retaliate against gankers is the way to balance ganking, not nerfs.

This notion that carebears should just pay attention is ridiculous as well. There is the prevention aspect of ganking which many carebears fail at, and their is the post gank retaliation aspect, which is severely underpowed/unbalanced. Just because someone was lazy and lost a ship does not mean the mechanics to retaliate should not exist, but unfortunately that is the case.

The one example that matters is the fact that CODE destroys hundreds of billions in assets every week and the only assets of theirs that are at risk are throw away gank ships. If an entity is dealing that much damage, their assets should be at risk ask well, but that is not the case, at best the the community can spend there game time disrupting CODE, when the players should have the ability to destroy CODE. The gameplay is unbalanced.


CCP give power to the player
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#226 - 2016-08-22 06:49:32 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
They are protected and operate with impunity from real consequence.

I am curious on why you think this way. Please give me some examples that support your claim here.

And I am sure those on the opposite side can say how all these nerfs to ganking have been thrown down upon them (and the list is quite long) and yet they still adapt to continue, even with CCP interfering with it.

We don't need nerfs, we need carebears to start paying attention.

You first...


It's kind of hard to meaningfully retaliate against someone when they're an alt who never undocks anything shinier than a cat.

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The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#227 - 2016-08-22 06:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
They are protected and operate with impunity from real consequence.

I am curious on why you think this way. Please give me some examples that support your claim here.

And I am sure those on the opposite side can say how all these nerfs to ganking have been thrown down upon them (and the list is quite long) and yet they still adapt to continue, even with CCP interfering with it.

We don't need nerfs, we need carebears to start paying attention.

You first...


It's kind of hard to meaningfully retaliate against someone when they're an alt who never undocks anything shinier than a cat.


This.

There are literally only a couple of mechanics changes that are needed to give players the ability to retaliate with out actually nerfing suicide ganking.

CCP give the power to the player
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#228 - 2016-08-22 07:07:43 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
They are protected and operate with impunity from real consequence.

I am curious on why you think this way. Please give me some examples that support your claim here.

And I am sure those on the opposite side can say how all these nerfs to ganking have been thrown down upon them (and the list is quite long) and yet they still adapt to continue, even with CCP interfering with it.

We don't need nerfs, we need carebears to start paying attention.

You first...


It's kind of hard to meaningfully retaliate against someone when they're an alt who never undocks anything shinier than a cat.


This.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Nitshe Razvedka
#229 - 2016-08-22 07:50:26 UTC

-same same-


( great minds )

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#230 - 2016-08-22 08:24:20 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Why would we want to fight CODE, their antics and the utter uselessness of the people trying to fight them are hilarious.

Its almost as amusing as the people who think I'm a CODE supporter just because I think most antigankers are complete idiots, or the guys who think that because I said 'hey I saw some of your POCOs died, come and use ours instead' and warned we would defend them if people tried to kill them that I'm somehow demanding people come and fight us.

Do as you wish, we'll carry on giving zero fucks about your opinions just like always.


I just think you are a useless troll, on one hand you talk about CODE not affecting you, which is evident you are in lowsec, the next thing you decide that AG should man up and blap your POCO's in lowsec. You are obviously butthurt over something, but I can't quite work out why you would think AG would 'man up' and have interest in your POCO's, it just seems utterly inane to me and I have you marked as a shrill for CODE.

I certainly give zero fecks about you and your opinions, yet another loud mouth HTFU poster shrilling for CODE. Roll


You call me a troll and yet you're the one putting words in my mouth and trying to criticise me for something I didn't actually say, the irony is strong with this one.

I'll spell this out since you seem to be having trouble understanding, announcing we will defend ourselves if our stuff is attacked is not the same thing as demanding people come and fight us and thinking one side of a conflict is a bunch of useless, disorganised, overly paranoid fools does not mean I automatically support the other side.

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Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#231 - 2016-08-22 08:25:09 UTC
The Butthole Licker wrote:
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
They are protected and operate with impunity from real consequence.

I am curious on why you think this way. Please give me some examples that support your claim here.

And I am sure those on the opposite side can say how all these nerfs to ganking have been thrown down upon them (and the list is quite long) and yet they still adapt to continue, even with CCP interfering with it.

We don't need nerfs, we need carebears to start paying attention.

You first...


It's kind of hard to meaningfully retaliate against someone when they're an alt who never undocks anything shinier than a cat.


This.

There are literally only a couple of mechanics changes that are needed to give players the ability to retaliate with out actually nerfing suicide ganking.

CCP give the power to the player


Yeah, but what would they be? And would it take 5 or 10 minutes to figure out a way around it?
If you get a killright against the account, they can't keep their other characters hidden or it would be worth next to nil.
If you can read their wallet history, they'll get craftier about how they give themselves stuff. Between ganks, they could run an otherwise legitimate ship giveaway scam, and nobody would suspect anything. Was that the main who fell for the 666M firetail, another alt, or just some noob who sold a plex and got a crash course in the careful reading of contracts? Then there are dead drops of stuff which don't leave any paper trail at all. And then there are plex purchases and sales.

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Elliniel Anat'al'Ardon
Hallowed Antiquity
#232 - 2016-08-22 08:31:09 UTC
Seems to me the only way you could take the fight to CODE, would be to stop these "max mining, no tank whatsoever afk miners" to stop logging on.
The Butthole Licker
Doomheim
#233 - 2016-08-22 08:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallente Citizen 10441710
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The Butthole Licker wrote:
They are protected and operate with impunity from real consequence.

I am curious on why you think this way. Please give me some examples that support your claim here.

And I am sure those on the opposite side can say how all these nerfs to ganking have been thrown down upon them (and the list is quite long) and yet they still adapt to continue, even with CCP interfering with it.

We don't need nerfs, we need carebears to start paying attention.

You first...


It's kind of hard to meaningfully retaliate against someone when they're an alt who never undocks anything shinier than a cat.


This.

There are literally only a couple of mechanics changes that are needed to give players the ability to retaliate with out actually nerfing suicide ganking.

CCP give the power to the player


Yeah, but what would they be? And would it take 5 or 10 minutes to figure out a way around it?
If you get a killright against the account, they can't keep their other characters hidden or it would be worth next to nil.
If you can read their wallet history, they'll get craftier about how they give themselves stuff. Between ganks, they could run an otherwise legitimate ship giveaway scam, and nobody would suspect anything. Was that the main who fell for the 666M firetail, another alt, or just some noob who sold a plex and got a crash course in the careful reading of contracts? Then there are dead drops of stuff which don't leave any paper trail at all. And then there are plex purchases and sales.


Something along the lines of the following:

- Remove NPC faction police that attack criminal players in high sec space, or not, does not matter

- Allow unoccupied ships floating in space to be destroyed without criminal flag.

- Toons with -5 and below sec status should not be able to dock in high sec stations, -4 sec status toons can dock in .5 systems and up, -3 sec status toons can dock in .6 systems and up and so on. All toons regardless of sec status can dock in citadels, at the citadel owners discretion. This restriction would push more players out of NPC stations and into citadels. Citadel markets specifically for criminals would spring up in lower high security space. This would also allow players who are fed up to target citadels that harbor and supply specific criminals. Also, gankers would have to undock in something other than a throw away gank ship to go rat if they wanted to access higher security status NPC stations, giving players the opportunity to destroy gankers in their more expensive ratting ships. This would create content, and would be good for EVE.


With these changes, suicide ganking stays the same, but those who gank are at risk of retaliation.

FLAME ON HAHA
Nitshe Razvedka
#234 - 2016-08-22 08:37:20 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:


Blaah blaah blaah - troll- blaah blaah blaah - and I automatically support the other side.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#235 - 2016-08-22 10:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
So am I the only one who noticed that the OP character is in Doomheim and the idiot OP is now posting on an even more offensively named alt?

I'm sorry, I can't even care about this conversation anymore, I'm just going to fixate upon this detail...wondering what circumstances led to this change...and if they are likely to be repeated...

edit: Perhaps the change the OP really wants to see from CCP is a permanent ban for himself - if so I wish him the best of luck in obtaining one, but he may have to try a little bit harder.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#236 - 2016-08-22 10:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Agrivar
Though I am a CODE supporter with the content creation they bring, most of the people in AG and those who rail against CODE first talk about not being able to fight them. The problem is they see that the only option that you have to fight them is to go with your cheap ass ship and go blow up their cheap ass ship.

Which you are wrong.

The way you counter CODE and the ganking is through education. When a new player starts, they are basically given no education on what this game really is about. I feel that CCP really screwed the pooch when it comes to their NPE (New Player Experience). If these newer players are taught what they need to know (setting contacts, aligning while watching local, fittings, etc), then that should bring about less and less targets for CODE to find. Even I can go out and find easy newbie targets to kill with little to no effort. It isn't the newbies fault, they are just not given the education they need to survive.

I started playing this game three years ago (August 2013) and had a bit of a sense of the game since I researched it online and in youtube before committing to this game. Going through the career agents and then onto Eve University really didn't prepare me until I went into wormholes and actually joined a good corporation who showed me the ropes and it became an amazing experience.

But now the NPE sucks donkey balls. Have you actually tried it? Just make up a new toon and just run through it.

It sucks. Badly. There is no direction whatsoever. At least Aura told you where to go and what to do. I had my friend (41 year old man) try and see if he could figure it out and he got frustrated and told me the game sucks.

So, these new players come through confused...and then get caught up in these horrible player run corps who just tell them to get a mining ship and go pewpew some rocks. No education on setting CODE to red, watching local, staying aligned, putting some sort of tank on their ship, etc etc.

During my solo highsec wardec days where I targeted these bad corporations and exploded newbies, I would follow it up with a mail to them explaining on what happened to them and if they were made aware that they were at war. I was surprised at what they told me.

So I am actually at a crossroads in my Eve career. I could either go and wage destruction somewhere...or I could form a corporation and try to help teach these new players how to:

1) Properly fit a Venture, Mining Barge or Exhumer.
2) How to spot gankers and ganker alts.
3) What local is for...
4) How to survive wardecs...
5) Set up contacts for gankers and corporation/alliances
6) Teach them what Eve Online really is and how to survive this PvP game
7) Other stuff...

Been thinking on it for a while. Not sure where I will be heading soon. Big smile

TL;DR: You cannot fight CODE head on, you will lose. You must hurt them where it would affect them the most. Remove naive targets from the field and they have no one to make money off of, pilots will get bored and CODE *could* fall apart. But realize they are masters of adaptation.
Nitshe Razvedka
#237 - 2016-08-22 11:15:02 UTC
Thx Morgan, input genuinely appreciated. StraightBig smile

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#238 - 2016-08-22 12:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Thx Morgan, input genuinely appreciated. StraightBig smile


Yeah me too, most people fail to understand that AG is really a resistance movement in the main who try to educate people not to be silly and try to disrupt CODE activities.

Fact is when I thought about setting up something in hisec I never looked at CODE as worth going after, it was the war dec entities that interested me and the reason was there was nothing of value in attacking them (CODE) and the mechanics were in their favour.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#239 - 2016-08-22 12:30:49 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Why would we want to fight CODE, their antics and the utter uselessness of the people trying to fight them are hilarious.

Its almost as amusing as the people who think I'm a CODE supporter just because I think most antigankers are complete idiots, or the guys who think that because I said 'hey I saw some of your POCOs died, come and use ours instead' and warned we would defend them if people tried to kill them that I'm somehow demanding people come and fight us.

Do as you wish, we'll carry on giving zero fucks about your opinions just like always.


I just think you are a useless troll, on one hand you talk about CODE not affecting you, which is evident you are in lowsec, the next thing you decide that AG should man up and blap your POCO's in lowsec. You are obviously butthurt over something, but I can't quite work out why you would think AG would 'man up' and have interest in your POCO's, it just seems utterly inane to me and I have you marked as a shrill for CODE.

I certainly give zero fecks about you and your opinions, yet another loud mouth HTFU poster shrilling for CODE. Roll


You call me a troll and yet you're the one putting words in my mouth and trying to criticise me for something I didn't actually say, the irony is strong with this one.

I'll spell this out since you seem to be having trouble understanding, announcing we will defend ourselves if our stuff is attacked is not the same thing as demanding people come and fight us and thinking one side of a conflict is a bunch of useless, disorganised, overly paranoid fools does not mean I automatically support the other side.


You suggested that AG develop some balls and come to lowsec to blap your POCO's it was one of the biggest loads of shite I had seen on the forums and your point was hot air thrown in the direction of AG players because you are some leet lowsec noboddy shrilling for CODE. That is the conclusion I drew from it. You have no idea about operating in hisec and it shows.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#240 - 2016-08-22 12:33:06 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
So am I the only one who noticed that the OP character is in Doomheim and the idiot OP is now posting on an even more offensively named alt?

I'm sorry, I can't even care about this conversation anymore, I'm just going to fixate upon this detail...wondering what circumstances led to this change...and if they are likely to be repeated...

edit: Perhaps the change the OP really wants to see from CCP is a permanent ban for himself - if so I wish him the best of luck in obtaining one, but he may have to try a little bit harder.


Of course its a CODE alt, I am just having fun poking a leet low sec PvP'r with his stupid post.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp