Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So we keep hearing about changes to Rorquals and Mining barges/exhumers
and the era of on grid only boosting

dosnt this leave the Orca in a tricky position

we have a ship costing around 600mil
the miasmos (a tier 1 gallente hauler) out hauls this 'capital hauler'
and its agility is horrific the align and warpout are terrible because it s a light capital (like a freighter)
and its ehp seems a little light for a capital
and its a ship designed to give mining boosts if you don't have a rorqual


given the upcoming changes id argue that the Orca cannot continue in its current state

EITHER
its a hauler
then it should have an orehold bigger than the miasmos or any other hauler by a wide margin
and should have the agility to quickly warp in and out doing hauls

then it must loose the gang link bonuses because as a hauler it wont be around to apply them

OR
its a mining command ship
then it needs to have EHP that actually make it a command ship and not about as tanky as a hulk

then ditch the orehold

OR
some other solution but as I currently see it the Orca wont actually have a role especially if this rumour of a new mining command ship is true which becomes a kick to orca pilots

- And? Command Battlecruisers cost 150-200 mil... the Noctis costs 50-60 mil... A Deep Space Transport costs 100-150 mil... the Bowhead is 1.2 billion ISK... and all of those are super specialized to do one or two things. The Orca can more or less do the jobs of all of the above with the right fits (not as well as the specialized ships mentioned, but still...).

- With level 5 skills, a Miasmos can **only** haul about ~63,000 cubic meters.
An Orca can haul 50,000 (Ore Hold) + 40,000 (Fleet Hold) + 20,000 to 92,000 (Cargo Hold)... giving it an ore holding capacity of 110,000 to 182,000 cubic meters.
It can also hold other ships that can be used to haul stuff.

- With a 500mn Microwarpdrive you can warp in 10 seconds.

- Fitted with 3x Hull-tanking rigs, a Reinforced Bulkhead, a Damage Control, 3x Invulnerability Shield hardeners, and a 500mn MicroWarpdrive... it has 350,000+ effective hitpoints. More if you toss the MWD and a shield hardener in favor of 2x Large Shield Extenders.
A "max-tank" Skiff (2x Reinforced Bulkheads, Damage Control, 2x Medium Shield Extenders, 2x Invulnerability Shield hardeners, a EM shield hardener, 2 shield extender rigs) tops out at 120,000 to 150,000 effective hitpoints.

- Yes. And? Command Destroyers are made for when you do not have a Command Battlecruiser (or do not want to field it). And Command Battlecruisers are for when you do not want to fit warfare links to your Titan or Carrier.





Or how about it be left alone? It is a ship that does not step on any toes and has a lot of flexibility.

The key word there being "flexibility."


The Bowhead can carry more and bigger ships.
A Freighter can haul more cargo.
A Noctis can salvage better.
An Industrial travels faster.
A Rorqual can give better mining bonuses.

The Orca can do all of that. Not quite as well as any of the above... but then again, that is its selling point. It can do all of the above (except warp faster).

Plus it has a bunch of other ancillary benefits like; Fitting Services, tractor bonuses, a decent drone bay, etc


It is a good ship and I would hate to see it pigeon-holed into a hyper-specific role. We need more flexible ships like the Orca.

I would expand its ore hold but anything beyond that is just being overdramatic. If it was being overshadowed by the other ships then why do i still see them everywhere?

As I've said in other threads, I have a char who pretty much lives in an orca. The Orca is absolutely fine. The only reasonable changes there are any arguments for it possibly getting are maybe a bit larger ore hold(Which it doesn't really need as you just run a miasmos courier and it's taken care of), maybe 25m3 more drone bay, or maybe an extra high so it could do Links+tractor. MAYBE(which again doesn't really need as it's range bonus to lasers gives pretty solid belt coverage, it won't hurt you to move every now and again a little bit).



Orca is absolutely fine as it is.

Ha HAHAHA ha ha HAHAHAHA

since when does a hulk get over 400k ehp with a t2 fit


god i swear it seems the people who are most concerned with the orca have never even tried to fit one

no to the mining drone bonus give it a drone damage bonus IF anything is going to change atm its not really in need of much

but if it was changed


remove the tractor bonus for a shield RR bonus (choice you can link or you can RR)

remove the survey scanner and make it a drone damage bonus not a mining bonus