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Solecist Project
#21 - 2016-08-19 22:53:28 UTC
C4STA Gamer wrote:
Wierd... nobody really read this topic.. if you don't understand this question.. why you speak.
Topics like - wow.com, really... .. guys... check description on passkey, then talk with me...

"This passkey unlocks the acceleration gate into the "Combat site name" Outpost complex. It is single-use only."
Simple question. why they allow other players to go there. BUG.

You use more ...
"..."
... than I do! :D

He had his own key, maybe?
Or he followed within the thirty seconds the keyed gate stayed open? (is that a word?)

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#22 - 2016-08-19 23:41:42 UTC
*sips whine*

I haven't seen one of these threads in GD for a LOOOONG time.

How did you Veterans start?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#23 - 2016-08-19 23:50:08 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
open? (is that a word?)





'Open'? It most certainly is!


OP: The key you speak of was granted not just to you - it is not the only one of it's kind in existence, even if it is consumed during use. Others have it; therefore, others use it. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?


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Paranoid Loyd
#24 - 2016-08-19 23:52:22 UTC
I'll just leave this here, it is the current homepage.

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-08-20 00:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vortexo VonBrenner
I'm sure it has been said a few times in the comments already - but , there is no passkey bug, that's the way gates are supposed to work.

When you unlock a gate it stays open for a short time.

EDIT: Gates stay open for a short time when unlocked to allow the players you might be doing the mission with to also go through. Your visitor might have used that mechanic. So not a bug. Sucks to lose, but part of what makes EvE fun.

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Serene Repose
#26 - 2016-08-20 01:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Did the snide mean-spirited ones bite? Sure they did. Just look below. Cool

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#27 - 2016-08-20 01:25:29 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
The ones here telling you "that's how it is, live with it chump" are the ones that do it.

Most of the folks in this thread don't even go to Highsec...

Anyway, OP, very few of the gatekeys are one-use-only. There are many, however, that only allow one ship at a time, but are reusable. There's a good chance that you're mis-reading it.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-08-20 01:35:20 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah, you had to earn the access by earning standing, and accepting the mission. Then just anyone can get in negating the process entirely. But, it's supposed to work that way. Makes a lot of sense eh? By the way. The ones here telling you "that's how it is, live with it chump" are the ones that do it.


It's not a mission, it's a combat site, he did actually say that in his OP. Try reading?

OP, your 'passkey' is not unique. Other people have run the same site as you and kept their passkey. It's then available for them to use the same gate in other identical sites, allowing them access to the one you're running as well. This is working as intended. Just like everything else in the game, there is no instancing, and wherever possible, things like this are intended to drive conflict or competition of some kind between players. Which is why, at the end of the day, everyone who plays this game should learn some PVP basics to some degree at the very least.

OP, there's nothing to report here, and nothing is broken. If you don't like it, as other posters have said, then this game is not for you. That is the nature of EVE.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-08-20 01:49:24 UTC
lolhighsectroubleslol. Here in lowsec if someone comes into your 6/10 it's time to fight (and call your friends foe elite solo pvp).

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-08-20 01:53:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Specia1 K
Finish your sites quickly. Think of these as a race to the cookie.
In any space other than highsec people are trying to kill you.

Highsec is easy mode, but IT IS A RACE.

Get there first and get your cookie.

And steal the other guys cookies too...Blink

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And for the love of Bob, LAUGH when someone beats you!!! Say "welldone" or "GG" in local.
You would be surprised how many people I have helped or given something to who showed a good attitude when I stole their cookie.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#31 - 2016-08-20 02:22:29 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
*snip*

I do find Highsec to be faulted Beyond repair when it comes to crime punishment, but i belive CCP would rather EVE die than fix it.

Wow. Even I'm not that cynical. I think when people say "fix" whatever-sec, they often talk past each other. "Fix" can mean a lot of things. I think CCP could change a lot of things in any sec. CCP isn't going to jeopardize the future evolution of this game because entrenched players might be forced to change their play style. One thing that won't change: players will always find a way to screw one another over.

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Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-08-20 02:34:40 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah, you had to earn the access by earning standing.

TIL you have to earn access to combat sites by grinding standings.

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Viktor Amarr
#33 - 2016-08-20 05:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Viktor Amarr
At the chance of replying to a troll and/or stating something already mentioned:


Just because you entered a site first doesn't mean it's yours, exploration is a very competitive play style in an already competitive game. I do combat exploration in high sec a whole lot, have been doing it for years, and it happens to me all the time and I do it to others the whole time. But that doesn't mean I lose loot drops all the time, it rarely happens. And the other way round I DO take loot from others most of the time. The trick is to be better at doing those sites than the other guy so that the loot becomes yours and there's a few tricks to help with that:


- KNOW the site, know how to complete it the fastest and what the triggers are. Many times you don't have to kill all npc, just a few specific ones

- don't waste time looting or salvaging

- don't use a ship that relies on kiting, it wastes time and you will be too far away from the wreck with the loot. Not handy if someone else drops in

- have a ship and fit that can tank the whole pocket including any triggers, that way you can stay in that pocket and perhaps push someone else, who can't tank it all, out. It also helps to save you time in sites where you don't have to kill all

- use a ship that can do 400+ DPS at 50+km range, wreck ownership is based on who did the most damage to the target. If the main target is at 60km when you enter the pocket (there's many situations like that) then it doesn't help if you have to first cover 20-30km before you can start applying somewhat decent dps, you will lose out to someone else who CAN apply good damage from that range right from the start

- use the right ship™. Don't bring nonsense like funky Worms, Asteros or similar because they lack the tank and projected dps to compete against proper ships. On that same note do not use a Gila, I know people think it's awesome but that's for all the wrong reasons in this case. The problem is that its main dps comes from medium drones which are slow and waste time to travel to target, if that target is 60km away it'll be (half) dead from someone else attacking it before the drones arrive. In all my years I have never lost a site to a Gila, they're just no good at it

The right ships™ for this specific play style in high sec are: Sentry Ishtar and Sentry Stratios (no sentries = you're going to lose loot to others), HAM Cerberus (in Gal/Cal sites). Anything else is mediocre, at best.



Do
not
waste
time!

Any second you waste on looting something that isn't the main target, killing something that doesn't need killing, salvage a wreck or is wasted in a myriad of other ways... is a second someone else could JUST rush in and take the loot from a site you're doing or you came short to rush into a site done by someone else where you try to get the loot.


As said, exploration is very competitive. Adapt and improve or accept that you're going to lose drops to people who chose to improve more than you did.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2016-08-20 05:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
After reading the replies posted in this thread, I just can't understand why log in numbers keep going down. Really makes me proud to know they're here helping the community. It's not like the replies telling the OP to quit and go to another game were hostile and self righteous. Anyway, I'm sure CCP really appreciates the help in gaining and keeping more players subbed to this game.

/sarcasm

Last I remember, after CCP's last big change to exploration when all high sec sites were added to low sec and static DED sites were removed, the Gate keys were no longer consumed after accessing the Gate. Also the Gate would stay open after being accessed until reset at downtime.

As someone else already said, High Sec Exploration is a race to the finish, google some guides about the site and find out which trigger needs to be destroyed so you can bypass the rest of the NPC's and quickly complete the complex asap.

Make sure your skills and ship fit will allow you to quickly complete the site asap. If not then get a couple of friends to help.

Also do exploration in areas off the beaten path, far away from mission and market hubs. Check starmap for system stats, low amount of population, low amount of jumps, low amount of kills, etc.


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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#35 - 2016-08-20 06:43:06 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
I do find Highsec to be faulted Beyond repair when it comes to crime punishment, but i belive CCP would rather EVE die than fix it.

Fix what exactly? It's working as intended.

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Ello Baza
#36 - 2016-08-20 07:53:48 UTC
Ok guys, thanks for all your replies.
I know that is just a game, and yesterday when three times in one day someone do this to me..
It just make me little angry.. I considered, what you said here, and i will try to change my game style.
I'm too slow, you're right. I will work on this.

At least have learned something from you guys.Big smile

Thanks for advice "Viktor Ammar", I appreciate it.

Have a nice day all.

Topic can be closed.
Solecist Project
#37 - 2016-08-20 07:59:13 UTC
C4STA Gamer wrote:
Ok guys, thanks for all your replies.
I know that is just a game, and yesterday when three times in one day someone do this to me..
It just make me little angry.. I considered, what you said here, and i will try to change my game style.
I'm too slow, you're right. I will work on this.

At least have learned something from you guys.Big smile

Thanks for advice "Viktor Ammar", I appreciate it.

Have a nice day all.

Topic can be closed.

OMG WE DID IT!!!!!!

Great attitude and spirit, OP! :)

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#38 - 2016-08-20 09:20:52 UTC
If it keeps happening move to a quieter system.

Also the keys can be re-used, my salvager account carries various keys etc in its cargo so it can follow me through, I have no doubt others carry them as well.

Good luck with the game, have fun.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#39 - 2016-08-20 11:12:54 UTC
C4STA Gamer wrote:
Ok guys, thanks for all your replies.
I know that is just a game, and yesterday when three times in one day someone do this to me..
It just make me little angry.. I considered, what you said here, and i will try to change my game style.
I'm too slow, you're right. I will work on this.

At least have learned something from you guys.Big smile

Thanks for advice "Viktor Ammar", I appreciate it.

Have a nice day all.

Topic can be closed.



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Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-08-20 11:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Discordia Duenna
I am guilty of doing this, I have no regrets. I'll even show you what I looted in local...if you complain that is. Some players view other players as NPC's that concentrate resources or prepared cans for us to loot.

One of my most notable experiences of this was being farmed by a BoB titan and fleet. Shrike warped to our station in our capital system alone in his avatar and it was just me outside the station in a tristan. We got a fleet together and engaged, 180 BoB descended on us in BS, we lost everything, they lost maybe 2 ships....then it started....the titan was fit with salvagers and tractor beams....we were farmed.

You have two choices, be farmed or fight/farm back.

^ sounds like RL