Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No one is against that.

I'm just against idiots that want to pass the responsibility off to CCP to do something for them first before they can then 'take control'.

If you want to go retaliate, then go retaliate.

As I wrote, my mistake assuming this was about improving play for everyone. Turns out, it's just the typical whinge to make play better for you; and the typical request based on a lack of understanding about mechanics and playstyles.

OP claims to be a former ganker that has made billions out of the trade, so why not post on your main so we can confirm that? I personally find that claim dubious as his grasp of game mechanics and the way gankers work is suspect.

That is something you definitely would know.

Gankers wouldn't rat up their sec status in low. They would buy tags.

Market hubs and the surrounding systems are where gankers are most prevelent, the same systems that are awash with freeport Citadels. Gankers wouldn't need to drop their own Citadels. Other favoured gank systems are the 0.5 systems on high sec pipes such as Uedama and Niarja, but... 0.5

If you're allowed to shoot unoccupied ships without being Concorded, the next request would be to allow the shooting of cans and wreaks - I mean if you can shoot abandoned ships - why not?

And if you can shoot cans and wreaks without consequence, why not be allowed to loot them first?

Most people don't have alts for bowheads and orcas.

Besides, when you can jump in you won't destroy it, you'll just take it and sell it.
Furthermore can a player destroy a ship once he sits in it, transferring ownership to him.

Lol... The haulers lose their assets and have been for years. The gankers lose throw away gank ships that amount to nothing. Flawed way of thinking

Blowing up an abandoned ship with no flagging would be nice.



There are however a plethora of options for retaliating against gankers already in place.

1. Use the killright you get to flag them for legal combat (if sec status doesn't already allow).
2. Get your friends to open up their killrights for use.
3. Blow up the gankers.
4. Blow up the gankers transports.
5. Pod the gankers.
6. Pod the transport pilots.
7. Out them so people know they are gankers and can watch local.
8. Out known alts or support.
9. Alert people of gank operations.
10. Blow up Miners that support ganker operations.
11. Make an alt and join gankers to gather intel from the inside.
12. Gank some targets to learn how best to counter gank.

All of this you can do, at anytime, and without causing a disruption to the fine an honorable pilots of LS. Sadly, all of these require some degree of effort. To be fair though, proper ganking does too.

Regardless, of whether a player wants to take precaution or not, they should be able to retaliate. Its that simple, this is about being able to retaliate in significant ways, not precaution.

Yall just like to being able to destroy jump freighters ever 15 minutes using -10 toons with impunity.

The unbalanced game play benefits you and your boyfriends, so you don't want things to change. I dont want suicide ganking to change either, I just want players to be able to retaliate.

Here we go again...

1.Using kill rights to destroy a cheap throw away gank ship is a waste of time
2. see 1
3. see 1
4. Gankers use alts to transport
5. no loss of skill points and gankers expect to be podded, so again throw away pods
6. refer to 4
7. The majority of gankers use -10 pilots because they can dock at and stage out of any NPC station, that's why they should be forced to rat so players can kill them rattting or stage out of citadels, so players can kill the citadels that harbor criminals
8. That's the best suggestion yet, but realistically gankers hide their alts
9. at best that disrupts them, there needs to be ways for players to deal damage to them. Considering gankers destroy hundreds of billions in assets weekly, its only fair.
10. lol yeah gankers advertise who their miner alts are
11. thats a step in the right direction, however, again that disrupts operations. If gankers are destroying hundreds of billions of isk an assets weekly, there needs to be a way for players to actually retaliate.
12. more waste of time disrupting tactics that are a short term solution. Again if an entity is destroying hundreds of billions in assets weekly, the community should have some way of actually dealing damage to them, not just disrupting them.

Its obvious you are just bias towards ganking and refuse to see how the gameplay is unbalanced

The thing is, there are already so many ways to go about things that make it really difficult to gank you if that's what you're aiming for. In terms of mining fleets, a few barges sacrificed for a couple scythes and even a T1 BC with T1 links goes a LONG way towards deterring gankers. MWD warps on travelling ships, or MJD's do the same. Freighters are a bit of a grey area as I think the concept of having to aggress yourself to 'save yourself' is bad design, but you can also go the way of a few logi ships with the freighter that would again, make ganking it soo much more difficult. I'd prefer if CCP wanted that to be game design to just design a module that does that already and stop requiring the 'dueling work around.'



The worst part of the ganking game was the bumping, and as that is being addressed(still has some flaws), most ganking is the result of people not putting the effort in to protect their crap.

Shoot first. They're probably all neg ten anyway.

For the hundreds of billions you have destroyed, what have you lost other than throw away gank ships?

Risk vs reward for gankers is heavy on the reward side.

Why are you so against changes that dont have any impact on your ability to suicide gank?