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Should CCP Change Subscription To F2P Or P2W

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Solecist Project
#21 - 2016-08-19 09:14:53 UTC
Anyone argueing for f2p argues for the death of the game thanks to the influx of self entitled, whiny idiots.
Anyone bringing up the "new player argument" should consider that quality matters as well.
And those who can't afford because they're simply poor ... well ... then don't play.
Playing EVE isn't some right, you have to pay for it.
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That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Gaius Clabbacus
Control Alt Delve
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2016-08-19 09:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaius Clabbacus
Thanks to skill extraction EVE is Free-to-Play without effort. If you put in some effort and PLEX your account you can play for free and have your skill points too.

Explanation because many people are dumb:

  • Option 1: use skill extraction to get the ISK needed to plex the account. Very little effort required, but no SP progress is made. Ideal for alts.
  • Option 2: earn ISK by doing the various PvE activities (missions, mining, ratting, PI, production, trade, ...) so you can plex the account. Time required varies a lot depending on how smart an EVE player you are (and a bit on how much SP you have).
Solecist Project
#23 - 2016-08-19 10:52:11 UTC
Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
Thanks to skill extraction EVE is Free-to-Play without effort
Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
If you put in some effort and PLEX your account you can play for free and have your skill points too.
Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
free-to-play without effort


Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
if you put in some effort



PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#24 - 2016-08-19 11:04:41 UTC
45thtiger 0109 wrote:
Hey EvE Players

A thought came to mind


Oh no it didn't.

45thtiger 0109 wrote:
I know of people outside of EvE in real life that will not play EvE because of Subscription as they cannot afford the cost.


Anyone who cannot afford the max rate of 50 cents a day has better things to do with their hours than fly pixel spaecships.
Internet spaecships are a luxury, please don't try to modify them with your 'ideas'.





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Memphis Baas
#25 - 2016-08-19 11:50:06 UTC
People ask for "free to play" thinking that they'll play for free.

But no business wants to give away free product. They only give away free samples if they think they'll get you to pay more later.

So if you take a little bit of time and look at other "free to play" MMO's, they are:

- heavily restricted to what you can do, to the point where it's impossible to play
- paying to unlock individual features one by one costs about 5x MORE than what you get unlocked with a subscription

And if you look at "free to play" cell phone games, every developer tries to make those because:

- it takes less effort to create the crappy graphics that cell phones support
- they make about 500x more money by tricking idiot parents, and kids, into paying $1 for every single module, load of ammo, or mining laser activation.

So "free to play" is a term very similar to the Goons' "Ministry of Love."
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#26 - 2016-08-19 12:15:11 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:

So "free to play" is a term very similar to the Goons' "Ministry of Love."


That's from Orwell, who correctly predicted the tyrannical corporate control of language (and therefore thought) that would allow a government to poll citizens on their opinions about, let's say, state medical care, then when the results show that the overwhelming majority want it preserved and protected, the government of the day names it's program to dismantle the medical care "Preserve and Protect."
That happened, Orwell comes second only to Huxley for seeing the heartless metal face of the future accurately.

But yeah, F2P EvE would not be EvE at all.



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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#27 - 2016-08-19 12:25:52 UTC
Free to play EVE doesn't work because there is nothing to "play". EVE isn't a game so much as it is a futuristic backdrop for personal interaction.

Having to pay for the experience gives the experience meaning (ALL f2p games are, by comparison, meaningless). Having to play the game to keep playing the game (PLEX) does this too (losing too many ratting/mission/mining ships in a month could equate to spending real life money for a sub or not being subbed at all). Losing something forever , like we do in EVE, stings more because we are paying in various ways to partake.

Just a general observation about the idea of making EVE f2p that pops up here all the time like paying 15 bucks for something is hard.

I've been playing EVE and visiting these forums for years, and the one thing that sticks out to me is how much EVE is like real life (probably because real life and EVE have something in common...both are overflowing with chimp descended primates...).
In this case, it's liek real life in that it displays the human need to take something that works (EVE) and make it into something that doesn't work (most standard MMOs, many that are now F2P and most which 'sunset' in a fraction of the time EVE has existed) while somehow calling that "progress".
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#28 - 2016-08-19 12:44:12 UTC
No.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#29 - 2016-08-19 13:08:26 UTC
EVE is still working good with subs and has stable income.
There is no rason to talk about such thing.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#30 - 2016-08-19 13:26:38 UTC
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Galactic Rangers
#31 - 2016-08-19 13:30:12 UTC
45thtiger 0109 wrote:


I just want people thoughts if CCP should change from Subscription to F2P or P2W.

Thank You


No and you're welcome.
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#32 - 2016-08-19 13:57:26 UTC
Now I'm not arguing for a pure F2P system and you can go back to the second post to see exactly what I'm suggesting...

That being said, there are two other high view/responded threads on page one of the forums also addressing the player issue so it could be said that this is a bit of a pressing issue, maybe not a short-term issue but and issue nonetheless.

EVE is a pretty well known game with a well established reputation. This will not change.
CCP has also tried some big content changes but failed to bring in new (read increase) players. This will not change.
The general industry shift has been away from subs to alternate pay systems. This will not change.

Life-lesson everyone must learn to deal with: Things change....This will not change.


I think it's pretty obvious that what worked for CCP 13 years ago re:sub and in the intern to a declining degree will not work forever and at some point they will enter the death spiral where content/support suffers due to laid-off staff which accelerates the loss of sub which forces more layoffs etc...

The REAL question is "What can CCP to INCREASE the player count which will intern increase income?"

F2P is a horrible option but a greatly hobbled F2P (IMO) is not. But what else can be done to address the core issue? I mean at the time of writing this there are 17200 people online and I'm guessing t hat's actually means about 6000 people are playing (1/3). This is an issue...

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2016-08-19 13:59:27 UTC
F2P would be abused to all hell. People would make loads of alts to the point where you have to completely cripple the F2P players to the point where the game isn't fun for them, at which point they leave.
If you seriously think EvE should be pay2win please give me all your stuff and just biomass.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#34 - 2016-08-19 14:09:11 UTC
People already make loads of alts and PLEX the heck out of them as it is.
People already use the excess ISK they earn to buy skill injectors and fast track alts into the roles of their choice.
Hell, I occasionally see two week old marauder pilots out there nowadays.
Some are alts of veteran players.
Some are what I consider 'space veal'... yummy victims driving something too shiny and sophisticated for them to understand.
Those are my favorites.
It is only just. Screw the entitled, hard and long.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#35 - 2016-08-19 14:15:34 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
If EVE ever goes to a F2P model I'll stop playing.

I don't play F2P MMO's for a reason. Microtransactions are a ******* addicting, horrific model, that I personally do not trust myself with. And if EVE goes to it, for my sake I'll have to quit.

Apparel? SKINS? Skill injectors? Why are you still playing?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#36 - 2016-08-19 15:00:48 UTC
Two of these things are not like the others.
Skill injectors are actually turning out to be an engine for derps to come to the horrified realization that SKILLS do not equal 'skill'.
The numbers on your character are not as important as what your player understands.

CCP is creating a new generation of overpowered victims, and it's absolutely delicious... so long as they don't try to protect their sorry asses from the consequences of their own actions.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Elijah Sool
Kessel Run Industries
#37 - 2016-08-19 16:30:54 UTC
Posting in a stealth Eve is dying thread Roll
Trevize Demerzel
#38 - 2016-08-19 17:57:42 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Game already has a free to play model built in via PLEX...you just have to work for it.



This ^^

Only thing I would add is make the trial account last long enough such that it is feasible to start making enough ISK to buy PLEX. That way a motivated new player can start playing on trial and say in 90? 60? days buy a PLEX to sub their account.

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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-08-19 18:05:44 UTC
CCP does not need to change anything : EVE is already :
- a subscription based game.
- a free to play game : buy a PLEX with your ISK.
- a pay to win game : buy PLEX with real money and sell it in game for ISK, which you can even turn after into skill injectors.
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#40 - 2016-08-19 18:14:46 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
CCP does not need to change anything


So do the same will fix the issues....

I know change is scary but something will force CCP's hand one day if the trend continues...

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."