Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Does become a vicious cycle don't it.

Saw your fit ideas and they do work. Issue becomes some can't get off the too much compromise mindset. Or certain implants if used. See their point but also see the point if you want to use BS beyond pos bash or called bs ops (usually cap support/save ops lol)....trade offs need to be made.

But I am more open minded. In my view bs' have been on a downward trend since 2009 when I first started. Accepting and moving on with fit compromise just a thing. Long ago...you traded off on fit to live AOE doomsday. Some needing some perspective can google up those fits. At least with yours and others workarounds the bs can keep some functionality. A DD proof fit....man they hurt all aspects of the boat to keep up tank. And only good for one thing. Yay I lived, gtfo now. Enter phase 2... drop more titans. Nuke the site orbit, just to be sure.


What I think was the start of the BS' decline. Was in long enough that by the time ccp removed aoe DD cap proliferation was already a thing. Needed something to live through doomsday and still put out some damage. Smaller ops already in the hands of hacs and such. ratting and pos bash the only roles left to it.

Nah I'm just stubborn and love the Megathron.

Yes... to recap I am asking for a buff to 3.0 regardless of available rigs, implants or modules.

If you love it why do you constantly argue against any buff to AU speed, base hitpoints or anything else that would raise the possibility of increased numbers being seen?

I suppose it could be that you genuinely believe that all is fair and balanced???

What that achieves is allowing guys who hunt ratters/miners to land on grid faster. Ultimately that's what it means for you isn't it?

The proposal came from a guy who hunts ratters in stratios. Your example is the irrelevant point here.

He just literally said in my quote here that he wants to buff ALL warp speeds. ALL. What did you miss there? Do you see why I'm specifically suspicious of his motives, because I know he hotdrops? And that a higher warp speed on a cruiser of like 4.5au would mean that he'd have a much higher chance of catching slow aligning ships bogged down in ratting or mining or whatever..

This conversation is becoming more work than it's worth.

Well if you look at the game design and compare it to say... world of warships or most RTS games or any game involving aircraft you're not supposed to see a large number of the largest units. CV in WOWS are deliberately limited to 2 per side per match to make it perfectly clear that their power is meant to be limited. In the best games you get on wows, you have 3 DD, 5 CA, 3 BB 1 CV and that's the gold standard for the balance the game was built around. Of course WG have other issues I could expand on but not right now. In RTS the heaviest units are supposed to be rarely seen hence you see a prevalence for rushing because cheap units with high ROF/good alpha is superior to a smaller number of high resource consuming units based on losing less firepower per death, because the investment of each shot made is smaller for a given amount of resources over the number of bodies present. Both shots fired and hits taken matters less when you fly the lowest common denominator of fleet effectiveness which manifests itself in the modern game as the T3D. Previously it was the harpy or the crow but look where that got us.

Perhaps if all ships had 3au/s warp speed (except caps perhaps) I could see an argument being made for mixed fleet tactics but then it would probably all boil down again to the greater economic factors of replacing a whole fleet of battleships every fleet compared to the much smaller cost of replacing a fleet of svipuls. People suggesting that cost doesn't matter clearly don't see how this is a fallacy, cost does matter - it matters so much in fact that people are far more prepared to fight in 40mil isk svipuls than they are in 250mil isk rokh/typhoons. One of these extremes also takes a lot, LOT longer to train in to which means there's an upfront SP barrier to entry as well which further reduces the pool of candidates available to your doctrine.

So to summarise while I agree about your comment regarding local to some degree I find the idea that warp speed alone would increase the number of battleships seen in gang level fights to be at best simply wishful thinking. If you want to complain about the current meta for roaming groups, blame CCP for making the smaller ships like svipul/confessor the way they are.

BS and BC would be okay getting a speed/warp speed increase.


Caps a definitive no. Or at least a notably longer spool up time to get into warp for combat caps if they would get a warp speed increase.



However, until T3D's and T3's are dealt with, BS are going to continuously feel underwhelming because those other two classes are so out of balance.

SO AFAIK, KB links are forbidden.

I haven't bothered to undock a BS since Querious died. At one point I'd lose a few Ravens/snakes a week. I even did some work with other solo BS fits a while back, but haven't looked back