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Which standings should I increase?

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Ficus McCloud
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#1 - 2016-08-17 16:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ficus McCloud
currently, i have enough standing with SOE to play L4 mission with them, but I cannot fly a BS, so I have to wait.

i can fly a bc (hurricane) and do L3 missions with no problem. Since money is not an issue (i bought few extractors to sell for isk), I was thinking to increase my standings with some npc faction. is there any faction i should prefer? why?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-08-17 17:32:19 UTC
It depends , why are you running mission?
For isk ?
For locates?
For lp?

Also where do you live?

Personaly i would recomend your favorite factions epic arc starter agent corp.
Eleonora Crendraven
Global Communications AG
#3 - 2016-08-17 19:05:20 UTC
If you want to do some research later / buy blueprints with Loyalty Points: choose the faction you need to buy these things / choose a corporation which belongs to that fraction. Some agents need a certain standing to begin research.

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Memphis Baas
#4 - 2016-08-17 20:43:30 UTC
Personally I avoid doing the "important / storyline" missions that give standings with a whole faction, and just focus on doing the regular missions so I can get standings with certain NPC corps.

For example, Caldari Navy = yes, Caldari State = no.

My reason is because the empires have standings linked; Amarr hates Minmatar, Gallente hates Caldari, etc. So when you increase your standings with one, you inevitably lose standings with the other(s), and eventually go into negative, and they start shooting you when you enter their space.

There are no such relationships between the individual NPC corps, so I can easily go all the way to +10.0 with any of them, independently of the others. So, Caldari Navy because Jita taxes get lowered if you have standings, Federation Navy because Dodixie taxes, and so on, pick and choose from the various corps.

You can see what items their LP stores offer on Ellatha's LP website.

Keep in mind that some NPC corps don't have many agents in their Security division, which means you won't get many combat missions. If they have a large Distribution division, you'll get mostly cargo transport missions, for example.

The SoE arc is nice because towards the end, one of the missions offers you a choice for which Empire to "support", and you can rotate your support between the empires to keep them all somewhat balanced and not hating you. But you won't be able to get higher than 4 - 5 with them.
Ficus McCloud
Plate Number
#5 - 2016-08-17 22:11:46 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
It depends , why are you running mission?
For isk ?
For locates?
For lp?


well i don't know why i should choose one agent or another, that's the reason why i asked :D i thought there were some objective reasons to choose an agent instead of another. i was thinking of having low fees when trading, but with the user created fortizar stations, having high standings is useless

so the only reason to get high standings would be for isk/lp, which i'm not interested in as i got money from the selling of skill extractors :/

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Also where do you live?


i have multiple jump clones all across high sec, so i move from one place to the other without a preference

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Personaly i would recomend your favorite factions epic arc starter agent corp.


i only played starting SOE epic arc, as i don't have skills to travel in a BS for other epic arcs.

Eleonora Crendraven wrote:
If you want to do some research later / buy blueprints with Loyalty Points: choose the faction you need to buy these things / choose a corporation which belongs to that fraction. Some agents need a certain standing to begin research.


unfortunately, i have zero experience/knowledge on industry/research/blueprints/etc. and i don't think i'm going to try it in the short future (i have plenty of blueprints in my storage with no idea of their value)

Memphis Baas wrote:
Personally I avoid doing the "important / storyline" missions that give standings with a whole faction, and just focus on doing the regular missions so I can get standings with certain NPC corps.

For example, Caldari Navy = yes, Caldari State = no.

My reason is because the empires have standings linked; Amarr hates Minmatar, Gallente hates Caldari, etc. So when you increase your standings with one, you inevitably lose standings with the other(s), and eventually go into negative, and they start shooting you when you enter their space.


well but if you do 10 mission with one empire, then 10 mission with the other, at the end you should have a small gain for both empires. in this way you can get high standings with both empires. or am i wrong?

There are no such relationships between the individual NPC corps, so I can easily go all the way to +10.0 with any of them, independently of the others. So, Caldari Navy because Jita taxes get lowered if you have standings, Federation Navy because Dodixie taxes, and so on, pick and choose from the various corps.

You can see what items their LP stores offer on Ellatha's LP website.

Keep in mind that some NPC corps don't have many agents in their Security division, which means you won't get many combat missions. If they have a large Distribution division, you'll get mostly cargo transport missions, for example.


yeah but as i wrote earlier in this reply:
- i'm not really interested in isk/lp, as i have plenty isk from selling skill extractors purchased with aurum
- i was somehow interested in having low taxes when trading, but user created fortizar with 0.1% taxes are popping up everywhere, so also this reason is not that important

The SoE arc is nice because towards the end, one of the missions offers you a choice for which Empire to "support", and you can rotate your support between the empires to keep them all somewhat balanced and not hating you. But you won't be able to get higher than 4 - 5 with them.

oh i thought i could go to 10 with all of them by simply repeating (many times) the SOE epic arc. with an additional boost from each empire epic arc when i will be able to fly a BS.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-08-17 22:27:35 UTC
DO missions for thukker tribe, I need the price on those batteries driven down XD
Memphis Baas
#7 - 2016-08-17 23:35:56 UTC
Ficus McCloud wrote:
well but if you do 10 mission with one empire, then 10 mission with the other, at the end you should have a small gain for both empires. in this way you can get high standings with both empires. or am i wrong?


Ok, sorry but you want details that are no longer newbie-level, so, math:

When you do missions for Amarr Empire, and each mission gives you 2% standings,

1. First of all the 2% is 2% of the difference between where you are right now and the "max" = +10.0. So if you're at 0 neutral, 2% = 0.2 points gain. If you're at +5.0 (half way there), 2% is 0.1 points gain.

The Minmatar hate the Amarr at 80% I believe, and the Gallente hate the Amarr at 50%, and a slew of other smaller factions hate the Amarr at various smaller percentages. And the Caldari like the Amarr at 50% I think. So,

2. You gain 2% with the Amarr and lose 1.6% with the Minmatar, and lose 1% with the Gallente.

2a. But, the % loss is the difference between where you are right now, and the "min" = -10.0. So if you're at 0 neutral with the Minmatar, you lose 0.16 points, but if you've previously tried to raise your Minmatar standings and have managed to get to +5.0 with the Minmatar, this mission will make you lose 1.6% of (+5 - -10 = 15) = 0.24 points.

You gain 0.20 points with the Amarr and lose 0.24 points with the Minmatar. Amarr goes up slower and slower, Minmatar goes down very fast.

So bottom line, you cannot get +10 with all empires. You can maybe get +4.6, if you work really really hard.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-08-17 23:37:08 UTC
Ficus McCloud wrote:
currently, i have enough standing with SOE to play L4 mission with them, but I cannot fly a BS, so I have to wait.

i can fly a bc (hurricane) and do L3 missions with no problem. Since money is not an issue (i bought few extractors to sell for isk), I was thinking to increase my standings with some npc faction. is there any faction i should prefer? why?

After coming from so many other games where you can look up answers to questions like what's the best healing class or what is the best DPS spec for my class or what is the fastest way to level, what's the best way to get a specific boss down etc...

I was amazed at how when I came to Eve there were no answers to what is the best anything unless you also added some very specific context which included your personal goals and likes and playstyle.

A shorter answer is that in Eve there is nearly nothing that is inherently better to it's competing options across the board. Pretty much everything is situational.

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Memphis Baas
#9 - 2016-08-17 23:45:10 UTC
In addition, if the mission sends you to kill "pirates" or "mercenaries" or "rogue drones," like normal missions do, you're fine. The only people who care about standings with the Guristas, Sanshas, etc. are those who want to buy Gilas, Rattlesnakes, Dramiels, Machariels, Vindicators, and other popular ships from the pirate LP stores (and thus do missions for the pirate agents out in NPC 0.0 space).

However, if the mission sends you to kill some "Minmatar terrorists" then each ship you kill gives you 0 Amarr standing, and -2% or more Minmatar standings, per ship. And guess what choice enemies you're likely to get for the "important, storyline" missions for the Amarr empire?
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-08-18 01:17:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vortexo VonBrenner
Ficus McCloud wrote:
...with an additional boost from each empire epic arc when i will be able to fly a BS.

You don't need to wait until you can fly a BS. Team up with someone(s) who can access the empire epic arcs. More fun doing them with other people anyway.

Epic arcs can be done every 90 days.

Gallente and Minmatar are allied. Caldari and Amarr are allied.
EDIT: SoE are mostly neutral but you gain a little bit of Gallente standings from SoE.
Gaining standings with one set loses you standings with the other set at differing rates. However, you can easily work it to where you can travel in all empire areas without being harrassed by them.

Don't accept any missions where you shoot empire faction ships if you care about your standings with that empire.

Team up.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-08-18 01:54:57 UTC
Hello,

Contrary to what some players have posted, you can indeed gain rather high standings with all Empire Factions. I have well over +7.00 standing, very close to +8.00 standing with the top four main Factions, Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar.

Achieving that goal does take some time and requires doing missions for Event Agents in each Faction.

Event Agents are mysterious. They can be found anywhere at anytime. There is no known complete database of them but they have been spotted at Planets, Moons, Asteroid Belts, Jump Gates, inside and outside Stations, inside DED Deadspace Complexes and at Celestial Beacons. Some can only be located by scanning while others only appear to players during certain missions.

Most Event Agents offer missions that can only be completed once by players that have the required standings. Event Agents don't give Loyalty Points but most of them give the player both Corporation and Faction Standing increase as well as some interesting and unique rewards. Each Event Agent's mission series has a great storyline plot and will often tie in with another Event Agent.

If you'd like the challenge of gaining high standings with all Empire Factions, I suggest you take a look at 'The Plan'.


DMC
Ficus McCloud
Plate Number
#12 - 2016-08-18 12:11:25 UTC
thank you all for the answers, with your help i cleared my mind and decided that the only standings to increase that can help me in the future are the four corporations for the four empires epic arcs:

Wildfire, Minmatar Level 4 Epic Arc
Starter Agent: Arsten Takalo
Agent Corporation: Brutor Tribe

Syndication, Gallente Level 4 Epic Arc
Starter Agent: Roineron Aviviere
Agent Corporation: Impetus

Penumbra, Level 4 Epic Arc
Starter Agent: Aursa Kunivuri
Agent Corporation: Expert Distribution

Right to Rule, Level 4 Epic Arc
Starter Agent: Karde Romu
Agent Corporation: Ministry of Internal Order

having 8+ standings with all empires is interesting, but a little too much for me to obtain at the moment. I will keep doing the SOE arc in the meanwhile (i still have only 1/2 standings with each empire now). and btw, from now on i will always refuse missions which involves killing other factions ships/structures.
Memphis Baas
#13 - 2016-08-19 10:21:20 UTC
EVE Survival for spoilers. You can read up what each mission will entail, exactly.
Ficus McCloud
Plate Number
#14 - 2016-08-20 15:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ficus McCloud
ok, i have some questions. i started missioning with expert distribution, security agent.

after some missions, i received this one: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=TechnologicalSecrets2

so i declined it not to lose standings with minmatar/Thukker Tribe.

the next mission i was offered was this: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=Vigilance2ga

which i couldn't refuse since i just refused a mission. so my questions are:

1) is it fine to do missions like "vigilance", where i have to destroy only one ship, so the standing decrease is not that bad?
2) should i have accepted the Technological Secrets mission, as it decreased only (?) thukker tribe and not minmatar standings?
2) in case i receive two missions with huge standings decrease, the only thing i can do is to stop playing for 4 hours, so i can decline the mission again with no downside? or should i simply decline the mission for the second time in 4h and keep playing?

Thanks again!

edit: ok, for example, after playing some more now i have this mission offered: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=CostOfGreenerGrass2Gallente
which is against gallente. should i accept it, decline it (and receive a loss standing) or wait for the 4h countdown to finish (which mean i stop playing for today, as i have to go out in about an hour :p)?
voetius
Grundrisse
#15 - 2016-08-20 17:26:01 UTC

Declining multiple missions doesn't have a severe effect on standings but in your case it really depends on what your standings are to the corp. that offered the mission(s). Declining will give you a small hit to corp. standing and a very small one to their faction. So if your standings are just good enough to access a particular agent then declining might drop you below what is required to access the agent. Make sure you have a bit of leeway and check your standings before declining, then check afterwards and this will give you an idea how far you can push things.

Some people will regularly decline missions they don't like and as long as you do about 3 - 4 missions for every one you decline in the 4 hour window you won't lose standing overall. This is called cherry-picking missions.

The best way to avoid having to decline missions is to avoid Navy agents as they offer the most anti-faction missions, and those agents that are one or two jumps from low sec.

To answer your original question, I would look at it in reverse. If you want to be in good standing with Sisters of Eve (corp) and Servant Sisters of Eve (faction) bear in mind that SoE are allied to Gallente so you want to avoid doing storylines for Caldari and Amarr.

For faction and corp in general, in high sec (disregarding pirate faction missions) Thukker and SoE are probably the two best corps to work for because of their LP store. After that, any of the science type corps, for Gallente that would be Roden Shipyards and Duvolle (can't recall the other one off-hand).

Memphis Baas
#16 - 2016-08-22 13:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
When you decide to "never accept missions against faction ships" that means:

1. As soon as the agent offers you one such mission, you decline it. You immediately right-click and show info on the agent, and switch to the agent's NOTES tab and put a note in there with the time. So you know when the 4 hours are up. These notes are only visible to you, nobody else can see them.

2. Because the very next mission could also be a bad one, you cannot ask any more missions from that agent during the 4 hour interval. Move to a different agent of the same level from the same corp; a lot of them are in very nearby stations.

So, basically, Use the Notes, Luke.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2016-08-22 22:54:28 UTC
Ficus McCloud wrote:
currently, i have enough standing with SOE to play L4 mission with them, but I cannot fly a BS, so I have to wait.

You can do level 4 missions in a battlecruiser with T2 tank modules and meta 3 weapons.

That's what I used for a long time before getting a battleship ... which I then lost within 24 hours, because battleships are completely different beasts when it comes to tanking and capacitor management.