Crime & Punishment

Loyal was "active" in the sense that he ganked 1000 random things a month for most of his EVE career, yes.

Almost every single freighter he killed was in the end of January 2016 and the entire month of February 2016...He may have killed a couple before then, but no significant numbers.

Then he dropped to only 450 kills in March, and only 27 in April before he got himself banned...his lowest activity levels since he started the character.


If you exclude January/February of *this year* - Loyal would have no legacy at all - he would be just one of the more active CODE. members.


I would argue that Helicity's Hulkageddon events had *far* more impact on ganking of freighters (and hulks/other mining ships of course) than Loyal's month or so - and Loyal was merely copying a past legend for a brief moment of glory.



@ Faylee - yes, I've seen a gank fleet parked on a gate waiting for *me* specifically, in my jump freighter. The fleet was comprised of assorted Goons/CODE. members - who shockingly enough had high enough sec status they didn't get shot in the 0.5 system (at the time anyway). Fortunately for me I'm not an idiot, so there is no killmail to show for the incident.

No however, I never saw Loyal's fleets. Nor do I particularly care.


edit: And in the minds of many I suspect that Loyal will be remembered for the behaviour that got him banned from the game, more than for his in-game achievements. A truly ignoble end to someone who admittedly does appear to have been a decent leader for a time and possibly had some potential to impact the game in some way.

I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong.

Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is.

And in the minds of many I suspect that Loyal will be remembered for the behaviour that got him banned from the game, more than for his in-game achievements. A truly ignoble end to someone who admittedly does appear to have been a decent leader for a time and possibly had some potential to impact the game in some way.

Weird. I was under the impression I either got one lucky bump off, enough for that sandcrawler to get away. Or I distracted him. Or he thought maybe more were coming- idk.

He was definitely doing a much better job at it than I was; but we did find ourselves 17km off the Fenrir when it warped off. Somehow.

The point is, there were others nearby that could have helped and were in more suitable ships to do it. Right after Drac's post I wondered "yup, perhaps that's what it must have been: training" but we'll never know, do we? ZKill does not show "wasn't-killed-mail".

The take away all from this? I'm not sure whether it was one of my bumps that stopped him or at least made him miss but I *do* take offense to "clumsy hauler". U WOT M8? I've got nano thank you very much

We know who they are.

And loyal will be best remembered, by me, for his chimping out when we denied him some fat loot with a cheap ship.

This is why we can't help but notice that there were five Hulkageddons spaced over a couple of years, why hyperdunking got an OK for a long time until it was not OK, and bumping has gone on forever and a prescribed fix for it has not even occurred yet, but as soon as we started popping freighter wrecks the change came in a matter of months.


BTW the best bumper IMO was Sigfried Cohenburg. He was only surpassed by Brad Neece who made short range ganks with blasters obsolete.

Dont see how bumping is a problem when its easy to counter bump a freighter as we saw here in this thread. All you need to do as a mining ship is simply orbit the asteroids. Could also fit a higgs anchor rig.

It's not easy. What you saw in this thread was I wasn't even sure it worked OR the bumper screwed up. Either that or someone hand me a medal please cause I'm the real McCoy.

What I was saying, was more along the lines of "Hey! Somebody give us a hand here please?"

I know how to bump, I know how to manual pilot and I know how impact (mass x velocity) gets transfered. I was just in the wrong ship to make a meaningful difference. A distraction, a slight course correction were the best I could do. Thanks for the offer anyway tho.


Now, I've been thinking, the main issue with gang prevention is the narrow window of opportunity. It all happens in under 30 seconds; not enough time to even warp over there. It really has to come from the people already on grid who see it happen before their very eyes-- not a problem in a busy pipe, one would think.

Yet, the anonymous crowd does not launch drones, does not fire up their guns, the falcon flying through does not stop to jam 5-6 catalysts ... it's sad.

I've heard it said Highsec folks bring it upon themselves and I'd have to agree. The same applies to miners by the way: do you know how much DPS a flock of Procurers puts out? I can't figure out for the life of me why they don't just shoot the darn things. Nobody else is going to be there in time to save their skin but those already on grid. THEY are the ones who need to step up -- not someone else.

You can't expect a bunch of unpaid Griffins to preemptively patrol the belts, or have anti-bumpers near every gate "just in case". So you have to work with what you've got. That makes it a little harder than the theoretical "it's easy". It's only easy if you're in the right ship prepared for what's about to go down. Less so when in "whatever" ship responding to events as they transpire.