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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#101 - 2016-08-17 06:29:31 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Ahhhh there you go! Was looking for a CODE related thread and as I suspected, I didn't have to look far.

Storytime.

As I were delivering a load of isotopes, I happened to see a Fenrir sitting 70km off the gate. Weird. And a bumping Mach. Using #brain I quickly added 1 and 1 together; I was however already in warp when I decided to help the poor sod out of his misery. No big deal; warped my blockade runner back to the gate in question and started counterbumping until I saw the Fenrir warp off.

It was not the machariel nor the blackbird that creeped me out though: it was the bystanders. Did none of them have a MWD? Were they all in such a hurry to go places they couldn't be arsed for a lousy minute to help a buddy out? Were they afraid interfering would get themselves ganked in the process?

The whole thing left a foul taste in my mouth. It happens because You let it happen. Ye who stand there and do nothing. Ye who forumwhine but did not lift a finger to aid a random stranger. You don't need any kind of organisation at all to beat them. No intel channels, no corporation, no nothing. Just shoot them/jam them/bump them... it's so damn easy you know?

Night night kiddoes. Storytime's over.


That must have been a really bad bumper, or he was told of a better target elsewhere. Some bumpers just bump freighters for practice and try to get a ransom, others to see if they can get AG to come and waste their time.

Having a blackbird there probably indicated that they were after someone else who had done a courier scam contract and that person had docked up.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#102 - 2016-08-17 08:21:16 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Ahhhh there you go! Was looking for a CODE related thread and as I suspected, I didn't have to look far.

Storytime.

As I were delivering a load of isotopes, I happened to see a Fenrir sitting 70km off the gate. Weird. And a bumping Mach. Using #brain I quickly added 1 and 1 together; I was however already in warp when I decided to help the poor sod out of his misery. No big deal; warped my blockade runner back to the gate in question and started counterbumping until I saw the Fenrir warp off.

It was not the machariel nor the blackbird that creeped me out though: it was the bystanders. Did none of them have a MWD? Were they all in such a hurry to go places they couldn't be arsed for a lousy minute to help a buddy out? Were they afraid interfering would get themselves ganked in the process?

The whole thing left a foul taste in my mouth. It happens because You let it happen. Ye who stand there and do nothing. Ye who forumwhine but did not lift a finger to aid a random stranger. You don't need any kind of organisation at all to beat them. No intel channels, no corporation, no nothing. Just shoot them/jam them/bump them... it's so damn easy you know?

Night night kiddoes. Storytime's over.




Between the gankers and the people who won't do anything about it this is why I say the community is sick and or toxic (and some say apathetic) . Try recruiting for AG sometime. When I use the term "sperging" and disparage people with one eye on their killoard or their wallet at all costs - even including their own enjoyment of the game - I'm not being dramatic.

(Admittedly it's not being fair to people who truly suffer from autism the ones I known would not play Eve and don't act like most Eve players. I use the term loosely. )

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Cockchaos
Doomheim
#103 - 2016-08-17 10:15:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Cockchaos
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Ahhhh there you go! Was looking for a CODE related thread and as I suspected, I didn't have to look far.

Storytime.

As I were delivering a load of isotopes, I happened to see a Fenrir sitting 70km off the gate. Weird. And a bumping Mach. Using #brain I quickly added 1 and 1 together; I was however already in warp when I decided to help the poor sod out of his misery. No big deal; warped my blockade runner back to the gate in question and started counterbumping until I saw the Fenrir warp off.

It was not the machariel nor the blackbird that creeped me out though: it was the bystanders. Did none of them have a MWD? Were they all in such a hurry to go places they couldn't be arsed for a lousy minute to help a buddy out? Were they afraid interfering would get themselves ganked in the process?

The whole thing left a foul taste in my mouth. It happens because You let it happen. Ye who stand there and do nothing. Ye who forumwhine but did not lift a finger to aid a random stranger. You don't need any kind of organisation at all to beat them. No intel channels, no corporation, no nothing. Just shoot them/jam them/bump them... it's so damn easy you know?

Night night kiddoes. Storytime's over.



Disrupting CODE is a waste of time, I don't blame the player base for not doing more. If mechanics ever change so that -10 characters are not sheltered in NPC stations in high sec, the player base will put so much pressure on CODE that the amount of ganking they do will be a small fraction of what it is now, and could be in the future if they continue to grow.

Imagine if the CODE guys had to rat their sec status up to -3 or -4 before being able to dock into an npc station in .5 or .6 sec status systems. Either the player base could hunt them down while they were ratting their sec status up, or they would be forced to operate their -10 toons out of citadels in high sec, creating valuable targets for the Carebear Coalition, if unoccupied ships jettisoned in space could be attacked without a flag of course. These changes would not prevent CODE from conducting business as usual, however, the player base would finally be able to take the fight to CODE.

This would create some content.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#104 - 2016-08-17 11:27:22 UTC
Some of you folks don't seem to realize that CODE. is instrumental in making the economy roll.
No ganking = no new stuff that needs to be made = overstock (more than it already is) = the economy will crash = more players quit (more than the few that couldn't handle losing a 30m ship boo-hoo)

They're part of the economic system, and disrupting that healthy system is something CCP can't do (unless they want to kill EVE hahah). Just like living organisms, take one that's at the core and everything else goes with it... and you don't want that Cool

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#105 - 2016-08-17 11:50:38 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
That must have been a really bad bumper, or he was told of a better target elsewhere. Some bumpers just bump freighters for practice and try to get a ransom, others to see if they can get AG to come and waste their time.

Having a blackbird there probably indicated that they were after someone else who had done a courier scam contract and that person had docked up.
Or Brokk is just decent at manually piloting his ship... Even a pure-bumping fit machariel needs a pretty good run-up to get a good bump in, and is pretty easy to disrupt. You just have to figure out the intercept point to put yourself between him and the freighter and deflect him.

Additionally the fact that it was a fenrir reduced the amount of time he needed to disrupt the bumper for.

Whether there was an actual gank incoming or not...well - quite possibly not, we may never know...but he still demonstrated a simple technique for disrupting a freighter-bumper - and he didn't need a fancy bumping ship to do it, he just did it in his blockade runner...

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Between the gankers and the people who won't do anything about it this is why I say the community is sick and or toxic (and some say apathetic) . Try recruiting for AG sometime. When I use the term "sperging" and disparage people with one eye on their killoard or their wallet at all costs - even including their own enjoyment of the game - I'm not being dramatic.

(Admittedly it's not being fair to people who truly suffer from autism the ones I known would not play Eve and don't act like most Eve players. I use the term loosely. )
I'm not going to get into the whole ganking issue with you aside from saying that at least for the vast majority of the EVE community it is apathy rather than any active toxicity or sickness. People just *don't care* - and it is a *game* - there isn't really any reason for most of them to care about somebody else being killed *in a game*.

If you want to fight gankers more power to you - but if you want others to join you you need to find a way to give them some motivation - because currently they just don't have it. This could be profit, fun, or whatever else you can think of - but people need a *reason* to get involved. Right now the anti-ganking movement is running purely on fear/anger/rage/outrage/hatred...and that is both limited to a pretty small segment of the EVE population and not a good motivator to get people to put themselves out on the front lines to combat ganking long-term.


As for people who actually suffer from autism - I've met some of them who *do* play EVE, and in my own limited experience they have actually made very good PvPers - and would be excellent anti-gankers *if* one got them interested in it.


Cockchaos wrote:
*repeating again*

#1 - Reasons aside - both Dom Arkaral and Herzog Wolfhammer are correct - CCP is never going to implement your changes
#2 - You refuse to disrupt code in any way, and also refuse to cost them billions of isk destroying their Citadels right now...I find it very hard to believe that you would ever be willing to combat code even if CCP did make every change you recommend...You are still all talk, no action.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#106 - 2016-08-17 12:38:31 UTC
Yay, another Rebel Commander steps up to ..........hmmmm........wait a sec.......nevermind, false alarm.


Lol

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#107 - 2016-08-17 12:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Faylee Freir
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Or Brokk is just decent at manually piloting his ship... Even a pure-bumping fit machariel needs a pretty good run-up to get a good bump in, and is pretty easy to disrupt. You just have to figure out the intercept point to put yourself between him and the freighter and deflect him.

Additionally the fact that it was a fenrir reduced the amount of time he needed to disrupt the bumper for.

I will help you out since you seem to be a bit ignorant. There are 2 ways to approach bumping freighters and those are speed and agility. You can center your bumping around speed and use high-grade snakes, and a proper Machariel fit up for maximum velocity and you bump them further than you would in an agility fit. With this method you will probably end up using a 10k runup to the freighter. This is probably how most bumpers fit because its just been the standard. There is a balance point in your inerta modifier that you want to try and keep, but most people think speed is king... And it is good in a lot of situations but i prefer the next setup.

Next you have agility setups which use mid-grade nomads, while the Machariel fit mostly stays the same. With this setup your Machariel literally turns on a dime while still putting out some serious speed. I use a 3-4k runup with this setup and is a ton of fun. This is more for keeping the freighter consistantly unaligned which is what prevents warping.

There are so many styles and techniques that different pilots have, bumping is really an art. Yeah you get the casual pleb that nust fits a **** stabber or mach and thinks hes a bumper... But theres a lot of skill and practice that goes into a top-tier bumper. I hate to honk my own horn again, but managing to hyperdunk all by myself while managing low-velocity bumps on a live freighter trying to get away is a thrill and a challenge.

Quote:
#2 - You refuse to disrupt code in any way, and also refuse to cost them billions of isk destroying their Citadels right now...I find it very hard to believe that you would ever be willing to combat code even if CCP did make every change you recommend...You are still all talk, no action.
When will people catch on that Code freighter ganking days are virtually over with the banning of Loyalanon? Yeah you see the Kusions, but his multibox ganks are shadowed by the frequency of miniluv ganks. Code have been reduced back to industrial and miner ganking and dont rely on citadels. Now ganking groups like miniluv DO use citadels at various times but the cost of one is negligable. You have to burn through 3 timers just to kill one and in that time its cheap for them to anchor a replacement. Citadels arent even a major or important asset for them so youre better off just disrupting their activities.

HTFU
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#108 - 2016-08-17 13:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Faylee Freir wrote:
Quote:
Or Brokk is just decent at manually piloting his ship... Even a pure-bumping fit machariel needs a pretty good run-up to get a good bump in, and is pretty easy to disrupt. You just have to figure out the intercept point to put yourself between him and the freighter and deflect him.

Additionally the fact that it was a fenrir reduced the amount of time he needed to disrupt the bumper for.

I will help you out since you seem to be a bit ignorant. There are 2 ways to approach bumping freighters and those are speed and agility. You can center your bumping around speed and use high-grade snakes, and a proper Machariel fit up for maximum velocity and you bump them further than you would in an agility fit. With this method you will probably end up using a 10k runup to the freighter. This is probably how most bumpers fit because its just been the standard. There is a balance point in your inerta modifier that you want to try and keep, but most people think speed is king... And it is good in a lot of situations but i prefer the next setup.

Next you have agility setups which use mid-grade nomads, while the Machariel fit mostly stays the same. With this setup your Machariel literally turns on a dime while still putting out some serious speed. I use a 3-4k runup with this setup and is a ton of fun. This is more for keeping the freighter consistantly unaligned which is what prevents warping.

There are so many styles and techniques that different pilots have, bumping is really an art. Yeah you get the casual pleb that nust fits a **** stabber or mach and thinks hes a bumper... But theres a lot of skill and practice that goes into a top-tier bumper. I hate to honk my own horn again, but managing to hyperdunk all by myself while managing low-velocity bumps on a live freighter trying to get away is a thrill and a challenge.

Quote:
#2 - You refuse to disrupt code in any way, and also refuse to cost them billions of isk destroying their Citadels right now...I find it very hard to believe that you would ever be willing to combat code even if CCP did make every change you recommend...You are still all talk, no action.
When will people catch on that Code freighter ganking days are virtually over with the banning of Loyalanon? Yeah you see the Kusions, but his multibox ganks are shadowed by the frequency of miniluv ganks. Code have been reduced back to industrial and miner ganking and dont rely on citadels. Now ganking groups like miniluv DO use citadels at various times but the cost of one is negligable. You have to burn through 3 timers just to kill one and in that time its cheap for them to anchor a replacement. Citadels arent even a major or important asset for them so youre better off just disrupting their activities.
Not sure why you of all people have this vested interest in claiming that CODE. is dead recently...

And the OP refuses to disrupt CODE. in any way, shape, or form. it isn't worth his time. So if you want someone to do that I'm afraid you'll have to do it yourself Faylee.

As for the impact of Loyalanon getting himself banned: Zkill says that CODE.'s freighter ganking has dropped from 2 trillion per month to 1 trillion per month. It had a negligible impact on the game when Loyal was playing, and it has half of a negligible impact on the game now that he is gone... So what?

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#109 - 2016-08-17 13:12:53 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Faylee Freir wrote:
Quote:
Or Brokk is just decent at manually piloting his ship... Even a pure-bumping fit machariel needs a pretty good run-up to get a good bump in, and is pretty easy to disrupt. You just have to figure out the intercept point to put yourself between him and the freighter and deflect him.

Additionally the fact that it was a fenrir reduced the amount of time he needed to disrupt the bumper for.

I will help you out since you seem to be a bit ignorant. There are 2 ways to approach bumping freighters and those are speed and agility. You can center your bumping around speed and use high-grade snakes, and a proper Machariel fit up for maximum velocity and you bump them further than you would in an agility fit. With this method you will probably end up using a 10k runup to the freighter. This is probably how most bumpers fit because its just been the standard. There is a balance point in your inerta modifier that you want to try and keep, but most people think speed is king... And it is good in a lot of situations but i prefer the next setup.

Next you have agility setups which use mid-grade nomads, while the Machariel fit mostly stays the same. With this setup your Machariel literally turns on a dime while still putting out some serious speed. I use a 3-4k runup with this setup and is a ton of fun. This is more for keeping the freighter consistantly unaligned which is what prevents warping.

There are so many styles and techniques that different pilots have, bumping is really an art. Yeah you get the casual pleb that nust fits a **** stabber or mach and thinks hes a bumper... But theres a lot of skill and practice that goes into a top-tier bumper. I hate to honk my own horn again, but managing to hyperdunk all by myself while managing low-velocity bumps on a live freighter trying to get away is a thrill and a challenge.

Quote:
#2 - You refuse to disrupt code in any way, and also refuse to cost them billions of isk destroying their Citadels right now...I find it very hard to believe that you would ever be willing to combat code even if CCP did make every change you recommend...You are still all talk, no action.
When will people catch on that Code freighter ganking days are virtually over with the banning of Loyalanon? Yeah you see the Kusions, but his multibox ganks are shadowed by the frequency of miniluv ganks. Code have been reduced back to industrial and miner ganking and dont rely on citadels. Now ganking groups like miniluv DO use citadels at various times but the cost of one is negligable. You have to burn through 3 timers just to kill one and in that time its cheap for them to anchor a replacement. Citadels arent even a major or important asset for them so youre better off just disrupting their activities.
Not sure why you of all people have this vested interest in claiming that CODE. is dead recently...

And the OP refuses to disrupt CODE. in any way, shape, or form. it isn't worth his time. So if you want someone to do that I'm afraid you'll have to do it yourself Faylee.

As for the impact of Loyalanon getting himself banned: Zkill says that CODE.'s freighter ganking has dropped from 2 trillion per month to 1 trillion per month. It had a negligible impact on the game when Loyal was playing, and it has half of a negligible impact on the game now that he is gone... So what?

Oh you must have me wrong. I have no issues with ganking. I think ganking is in a good place of balance, nor do i have any moral issues with it.

I suggest you look at the number of freighters being killed during Loyals reign. He was known for ganking literally everything, even if it was empty. So thats where 95% of these AG come from. The fact that you say freighter ganking values dropped 1 trillion isk after his banning and the fact that a ton of his kills were empty or negligable in value nust shows the sheer magnitude of his operation.

HTFU
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#110 - 2016-08-17 13:19:13 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
Oh you must have me wrong. I have no issues with ganking. I think ganking is in a good place of balance, nor do i have any moral issues with it.

I suggest you look at the number of freighters being killed during Loyals reign. He was known for ganking literally everything, even if it was empty. So thats where 95% of these AG come from. The fact that you say freighter ganking values dropped 1 trillion isk after his banning and the fact that a ton of his kills were empty or negligable in value nust shows the sheer magnitude of his operation.

Except that baltec's red frog data clearly shows that loyal had no impact on their freighter losses - at all. If anything, hauling sensible amounts of loot under 1 billion isk got *more dangerous* after Loyal got himself banned - not less dangerous.

This would actually tend to indicate that Loyal focused primarily on freighters that had more money in them, and was *more* selective.

Clearly he had an impact - it seems he generated around 50% of the isk destroyed through freighter ganking during his brief reign in that arena.... But all available data would indicate that he was only a threat to large-scale haulers moving way too much isk per trip - his threat to empty/low-value freighters has been blown wildly out of proportion based on a couple of events where they interdicted all freighter traffic that they could, which didn't even make a noticeable ripple in the game as a whole.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#111 - 2016-08-17 13:26:51 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Faylee Freir wrote:
Oh you must have me wrong. I have no issues with ganking. I think ganking is in a good place of balance, nor do i have any moral issues with it.

I suggest you look at the number of freighters being killed during Loyals reign. He was known for ganking literally everything, even if it was empty. So thats where 95% of these AG come from. The fact that you say freighter ganking values dropped 1 trillion isk after his banning and the fact that a ton of his kills were empty or negligable in value nust shows the sheer magnitude of his operation.

Except that baltec's red frog data clearly shows that loyal had no impact on their freighter losses - at all. If anything, hauling sensible amounts of loot under 1 billion isk got *more dangerous* after Loyal got himself banned - not less dangerous.

This would actually tend to indicate that Loyal focused primarily on freighters that had more money in them, and was *more* selective.

Clearly he had an impact - it seems he generated around 50% of the isk destroyed through freighter ganking during his brief reign in that arena.... But all available data would indicate that he was only a threat to large-scale haulers moving way too much isk per trip - his threat to empty/low-value freighters has been blown wildly out of proportion based on a couple of events where they interdicted all freighter traffic that they could, which didn't even make a noticeable ripple in the game as a whole.

Loyal had little to no impact on Red Frog, because they were using all the Intel at their disposal, and all the tools as well.
They're intelligent haulers, unlike many

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#112 - 2016-08-17 13:27:07 UTC
Here is the actual Data.

I don't blame you for missing it - it is buried in that threadnought.

But the Red Frog data shows that the risk to low-value freighters more than doubled after Loyalanon got himself banned - from 0.11% to 0.25%

Both negligible - because ganking is in a good place - but as close to clear proof as we could ever hope to get in this game that Loyal had no appreciable impact on risk to low-value freighters.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#113 - 2016-08-17 13:29:18 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Loyal had little to no impact on Red Frog, because they were using all the Intel at their disposal, and all the tools as well.
They're intelligent haulers, unlike many

Red Frog hauling strategy is to go AFK and add the cost of ganked freighters to their pricing. This is public knowledge - and was heavily pointed out by baltec and others during the previously referenced discussion.

I know it is inconvenient for people trying to hail Loyal as some sort of a hero - but he didn't affect anything for the vast majority of haulers.

Within the ganking community he still *doubled* the *value* of freighters killed with his presence - as I say he had a HUGE impact within the ganking community.

Just no significant impact to *the rest* of EVE - particularly not to low-value freighter pilots.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#114 - 2016-08-17 13:40:42 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Faylee Freir wrote:
Oh you must have me wrong. I have no issues with ganking. I think ganking is in a good place of balance, nor do i have any moral issues with it.

I suggest you look at the number of freighters being killed during Loyals reign. He was known for ganking literally everything, even if it was empty. So thats where 95% of these AG come from. The fact that you say freighter ganking values dropped 1 trillion isk after his banning and the fact that a ton of his kills were empty or negligable in value nust shows the sheer magnitude of his operation.

Except that baltec's red frog data clearly shows that loyal had no impact on their freighter losses - at all. If anything, hauling sensible amounts of loot under 1 billion isk got *more dangerous* after Loyal got himself banned - not less dangerous.

This would actually tend to indicate that Loyal focused primarily on freighters that had more money in them, and was *more* selective.

Clearly he had an impact - it seems he generated around 50% of the isk destroyed through freighter ganking during his brief reign in that arena.... But all available data would indicate that he was only a threat to large-scale haulers moving way too much isk per trip - his threat to empty/low-value freighters has been blown wildly out of proportion based on a couple of events where they interdicted all freighter traffic that they could, which didn't even make a noticeable ripple in the game as a whole.

No you have it backwards. I mean yeah Loyal wouldnt turn down a whale, but he was ganking almost everything. I also wouldnt believe Red Frog entirely since its not unlikely that they would want to save face. I think you would be part of the minority that thought that Loyal didnt have a significant impant on the number of freighters killed when compared to other ganking groups.

HTFU
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#115 - 2016-08-17 13:45:20 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Loyal had little to no impact on Red Frog, because they were using all the Intel at their disposal, and all the tools as well.
They're intelligent haulers, unlike many

Red Frog hauling strategy is to go AFK and add the cost of ganked freighters to their pricing. This is public knowledge - and was heavily pointed out by baltec and others during the previously referenced discussion.

I know it is inconvenient for people trying to hail Loyal as some sort of a hero - but he didn't affect anything for the vast majority of haulers.

Within the ganking community he still *doubled* the *value* of freighters killed with his presence - as I say he had a HUGE impact within the ganking community.

Just no significant impact to *the rest* of EVE - particularly not to low-value freighter pilots.

AG was basically born from the ashes of Loyalanons freighter ganks which is a huge testament in and of itself. Have you ever witnessed a gank flert? Im curious.

Also, you can thank me for correcting you on bumping. With my help you can be great.

HTFU
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#116 - 2016-08-17 13:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Faylee Freir wrote:
AG was basically born from the ashes of Loyalanons freighter ganks which is a huge testament in and of itself. Have you ever witnessed a gank flert? Im curious.

Also, you can thank me for correcting you on bumping. With my help you can be great.

Looking at zkill - Loyal was only actually active for around 1.5 months.....total....in his role of leading ganks against all freighters...

So yes, the stats are skewed since he was only active for such a very short period. And as I wasn't particularly active this past February, maybe I just missed it entirely P

Regardless his reign was so incredibly brief it hardly counts - it didn't last long enough to become a "trend" - it was just an isolated single event that is never likely to be repeated.


I was also under the impression that anti-ganking has existed longer than 8 months...



As for bumping though - sure - if you want to hail Brokk as a paragon of epic pilotting - who defeated an EZ-Mode machariel who should have been untouchable using nothing more than a clumsy hauler...I'll go with it. Yay Brokk - nobody else could possibly match your skill o7


edit: It also appears that Loyal burned himself out and quit playing for all intents and purposes *before* he managed to get himself banned - so there is that as well. He was dead and gone even before he was actually....gone...

edit #2 - actually red frog hasn't even released their stats for 2016 at all - so we don't have any statistics for the 1.5 months he was active, at all. Yet.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#117 - 2016-08-17 14:06:58 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Faylee Freir wrote:
AG was basically born from the ashes of Loyalanons freighter ganks which is a huge testament in and of itself. Have you ever witnessed a gank flert? Im curious.

Also, you can thank me for correcting you on bumping. With my help you can be great.

Looking at zkill - Loyal was only actually active for around 1.5 months.....total....in his role of leading ganks against all freighters...

So yes, the stats are skewed since he was only active for such a very short period. And as I wasn't particularly active this past February, maybe I just missed it entirely P

Regardless his reign was so incredibly brief it hardly counts - it didn't last long enough to become a "trend" - it was just an isolated single event that is never likely to be repeated.


I was also under the impression that anti-ganking has existed longer than 8 months...



As for bumping though - sure - if you want to hail Brokk as a paragon of epic pilotting - who defeated an EZ-Mode machariel who would have been intouchable using nothing more than a clumsy hauler...I'll go with it. Yay Brokk - nobody else could possibly match your skill o7


edit: It also appears that Loyal burned himself out and quit playing for all intents and purposes *before* he managed to get himself banned - so there is that as well. He was dead and gone even before he was actually....gone...

edit #2 - actually red frog hasn't even released their stats for 2016 at all - so we don't have any statistics for the 1.5 months he was active, at all. Yet.

Loyal has been very active since the toon's creation.. he was already doing large scale freighter ganks over 18 months ago, once or twice a week, every week. Then he went on that amazingly fun rampage that lasted a couple of months, then he got banned.

Even though he's not with us anymore, his impact is set in the history of New Eden, whilst all the anti gankers have been long forgotten hehehe

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#118 - 2016-08-17 14:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Loyal has been very active since the toon's creation.. he was already doing large scale freighter ganks over 18 months ago, once or twice a week, every week. Then he went on that amazingly fun rampage that lasted a couple of months, then he got banned.

Even though he's not with us anymore, his impact is set in the history of New Eden, whilst all the anti gankers have been long forgotten hehehe

Loyal was "active" in the sense that he ganked 1000 random things a month for most of his EVE career, yes.

Almost every single freighter he killed was in the end of January 2016 and the entire month of February 2016...He may have killed a couple before then, but no significant numbers.

Then he dropped to only 450 kills in March, and only 27 in April before he got himself banned...his lowest activity levels since he started the character.


If you exclude January/February of *this year* - Loyal would have no legacy at all - he would be just one of the more active CODE. members.


I would argue that Helicity's Hulkageddon events had *far* more impact on ganking of freighters (and hulks/other mining ships of course) than Loyal's month or so - and Loyal was merely copying a past legend for a brief moment of glory.



@ Faylee - yes, I've seen a gank fleet parked on a gate waiting for *me* specifically, in my jump freighter. The fleet was comprised of assorted Goons/CODE. members - who shockingly enough had high enough sec status they didn't get shot in the 0.5 system (at the time anyway). Fortunately for me I'm not an idiot, so there is no killmail to show for the incident.

No however, I never saw Loyal's fleets. Nor do I particularly care.


edit: And in the minds of many I suspect that Loyal will be remembered for the behaviour that got him banned from the game, more than for his in-game achievements. A truly ignoble end to someone who admittedly does appear to have been a decent leader for a time and possibly had some potential to impact the game in some way.

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#119 - 2016-08-17 14:16:44 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Faylee Freir wrote:
AG was basically born from the ashes of Loyalanons freighter ganks which is a huge testament in and of itself. Have you ever witnessed a gank flert? Im curious.

Also, you can thank me for correcting you on bumping. With my help you can be great.

Looking at zkill - Loyal was only actually active for around 1.5 months.....total....in his role of leading ganks against all freighters...

So yes, the stats are skewed since he was only active for such a very short period. And as I wasn't particularly active this past February, maybe I just missed it entirely P

Regardless his reign was so incredibly brief it hardly counts - it didn't last long enough to become a "trend" - it was just an isolated single event that is never likely to be repeated.


I was also under the impression that anti-ganking has existed longer than 8 months...



As for bumping though - sure - if you want to hail Brokk as a paragon of epic pilotting - who defeated an EZ-Mode machariel who should have been untouchable using nothing more than a clumsy hauler...I'll go with it. Yay Brokk - nobody else could possibly match your skill o7


edit: It also appears that Loyal burned himself out and quit playing for all intents and purposes *before* he managed to get himself banned - so there is that as well. He was dead and gone even before he was actually....gone...

edit #2 - actually red frog hasn't even released their stats for 2016 at all - so we don't have any statistics for the 1.5 months he was active, at all. Yet.

Seems like your info is wrong. Come back when you get it right.

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#120 - 2016-08-17 14:17:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Faylee Freir wrote:
Seems like your info is wrong. Come back when you get it right.

I'd better not see you referencing any stats from zkill then - if it is all wrong.

Vendetta has *ZERO* validated kills - per you P

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