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NotTheSmartestCookie
Shooting Blues Everyday
Gimme Da Loot
#101 - 2016-08-16 19:04:13 UTC
There is a reason why we call the Anti-Ganking community toxic and sadly enough there are numerous RL examples. In the words of James 315 himself on http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html: "So if allowing the miner to vent his profanities toward me in local saves his wife or children one extra beating, that's something I'll gladly take. The miner has to take it out on somebody, and I'd rather it be me than some household full of children out there."

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#102 - 2016-08-16 19:05:56 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Stay relevant to the OP Nitshe, especially since talking about bans is breaking the rules.

The past is behind for a reason.

GFs Fiddly



Pity you never had the moral courage to keep him in check. Pity Jame315 never displayed leadership in keeping him in check.

Hang your head in shame Dom then GTFO. And you lecture me on breaking rules. GTFO!

LOL how do I feel about that whole thing is not of your concern.
I think we touched a nerve right here Faylee, especially when it comes to not telling some publord my feelings on a matter that I won't discuss further.

I will not hang my head in shame for his actions, I will not GTFO as I like it here.

You can go cry now Nitshe, you've been broken

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Nitshe Razvedka
#103 - 2016-08-16 19:12:57 UTC
NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:
There is a reason why we call the Anti-Ganking community toxic and sadly enough there are numerous RL examples. In the words of James 315 himself on http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html: "So if allowing the miner to vent his profanities toward me in local saves his wife or children one extra beating, that's something I'll gladly take. The miner has to take it out on somebody, and I'd rather it be me than some household full of children out there."



Another codie who can't communicate without her masters brain. Deep cult brainwashing at play.

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Nitshe Razvedka
#104 - 2016-08-16 19:23:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Stay relevant to the OP Nitshe, especially since talking about bans is breaking the rules.

The past is behind for a reason.

GFs Fiddly



Pity you never had the moral courage to keep him in check. Pity Jame315 never displayed leadership in keeping him in check.

Hang your head in shame Dom then GTFO. And you lecture me on breaking rules. GTFO!

LOL how do I feel about that whole thing is not of your concern.
I think we touched a nerve right here Faylee, especially when it comes to not telling some publord my feelings on a matter that I won't discuss further.

I will not hang my head in shame for his actions, I will not GTFO as I like it here.

You can go cry now Nitshe, you've been broken



If you don't think loyal's behaviour was beyond the pale there is something broken in you. You are lost.

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#105 - 2016-08-16 19:32:20 UTC
Move on, do like everyone else lol
Like I said above, how I feel is none of your concerns.
What I do is up to me, and me only.

Seeing your reaction to my responses, your compass needs a reality ajustement.
You can throw everything you got at me if that makes you happy, but let it be known that no cares will be given Cool

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NotTheSmartestCookie
Shooting Blues Everyday
Gimme Da Loot
#106 - 2016-08-16 19:41:34 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:
There is a reason why we call the Anti-Ganking community toxic and sadly enough there are numerous RL examples. In the words of James 315 himself on http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html: "So if allowing the miner to vent his profanities toward me in local saves his wife or children one extra beating, that's something I'll gladly take. The miner has to take it out on somebody, and I'd rather it be me than some household full of children out there."



Another codie who can't communicate without her masters brain. Deep cult brainwashing at play.


Another anti-ganker who cannot communicate without insults, lies and distortions. A couple of posts ago you questioned the leadership of James 315. Lo and behold, the situation in question is already covered by the CODE. No surprise really as the CODE. is the culmination of James 315 years of experience in playing EVE combined with a sharp insight in human nature.

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Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#107 - 2016-08-16 19:49:10 UTC
The absolute fact is that Loyal was a good FC. He provided top notch entertainment to those around him.

Another absolute fact is that ganking victims and those in the AG community both tossed out more real life threats to not only Loyal, but to anyone involved. Yeah what Loyal did was in bad taste but why paint him red when hes been a victim just as much if not more than what hes dished out. The difference is that Loyal and most content creators dont play the victim card and shrug it off as some idiotic pleb with cheeto stains on his keyboard, where you find that someone is witch hunted and put in center stage when they step out of line briefly.

I understand that MANY people hated Loyal, but his comments that got him banned are equal to any real life threat made upon him. Wheres the balance?

So lay off the moral high horse and look at it for what it really is. Behind a player that got banned for comments made, he was an ojtstanding player and a great fc.. I wasnt that close to him but he did more for me personally than anyone had done previously.

HTFU
Nitshe Razvedka
#108 - 2016-08-16 20:47:28 UTC
Who in the Anti-Ganking community "tossed out real life threats"?

The AG channels are tightly moderated. I have NEVER heard an active AG ever give a RL threat in local either.

I call BS.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#109 - 2016-08-16 20:52:16 UTC
Did I miss something in my absence from eve? What happened to loyal?

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Nitshe Razvedka
#110 - 2016-08-16 20:56:28 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Did I miss something in my absence from eve? What happened to loyal?


Old news, new apologists.

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Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#111 - 2016-08-16 21:29:33 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Who in the Anti-Ganking community "tossed out real life threats"?

The AG channels are tightly moderated. I have NEVER heard an active AG ever give a RL threat in local either.

I call BS.

Dont worry its not bs. Talk to any content creator and im sure they can share stories and tears.. Some filled with fits of rage that contain real life threats or inappropriate insults.

Ive personally seen plenty of toxic behavior out of both AG and the prominant ganking groups and even extends to both "deviant" content creators and plain old victims.

Just hypocritical that it seems like only those that are involved in emergent content get punished... And publicly hazed. If someone posted every edgy or inapproprite comment made to a carebear or victim there would be public outcry for banning. Flip that situation over where the ganker is the recipiant and everyone would say, "well its okay because they drove him to make those comments".

Its 2016 people. If men can be women and vise versa, then i say we get fair treatment for all when handing down punishments and bans.

HTFU
Nitshe Razvedka
#112 - 2016-08-16 21:34:41 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Who in the Anti-Ganking community "tossed out real life threats"?

The AG channels are tightly moderated. I have NEVER heard an active AG ever give a RL threat in local either.

I call BS.

Dont worry its not bs. Talk to any content creator and im sure they can share stories and tears.. Some filled with fits of rage that contain real life threats or inappropriate insults.

Ive personally seen plenty of toxic behavior out of both AG and the prominant ganking groups and even extends to both "deviant" content creators and plain old victims.

Just hypocritical that it seems like only those that are involved in emergent content get punished... And publicly hazed. If someone posted every edgy or inapproprite comment made to a carebear or victim there would be public outcry for banning. Flip that situation over where the ganker is the recipiant and everyone would say, "well its okay because they drove him to make those comments".

Its 2016 people. If men can be women and vise versa, then i say we get fair treatment for all when handing down punishments and bans.



You said RL threats, are you now adjusting that to toxic behaviour. Big difference. Police get called in for RL threats.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#113 - 2016-08-16 21:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Loyal's comments were different than RL threats - he took an RL tragedy that had *already actually happened* and spammed it and used it to insult/hurt people. He deserved his ban.


However Nitshe - I've seen anti-gankers throwing out real-life threats in local - and I'm not even a ganker. They really are pretty common from all non-PvP-oriented players when PvP is thrust upon them. If you want proof - go blink yellow for a couple of days on the undock of any mission hub station. You don't even have to shoot at anybody - if they shoot you just go ahead and dock up. I can pretty much 100% guarantee you that you will have real-life oriented insults and threats thrown at you - because that is just the way people get these days...So just imagine what CODE. gankers who actually go out of their way to make people explode have hurled at them...

Not saying it excuses Loyal's actions - as I say it isn't even related, they are entirely different types of crossing the line. But I still 100% guarantee you that it does happen.


edit: And yes, I mean RL, out-of-game threats/comments. I've lost track of how many people have demanded my home address in the midst of their rants so they could "come teach me a lesson" - and as I say I am not even a ganker...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

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Nitshe Razvedka
#114 - 2016-08-16 21:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Before you tie yourself in knots, Fey just bow out quietly and update your website its a nice read.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Nitshe Razvedka
#115 - 2016-08-16 21:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Loyal's comments were different than RL threats - he took an RL tragedy that had *already actually happened* and spammed it and used it to insult/hurt people. He deserved his ban.


However Nitshe - I've seen anti-gankers throwing out real-life threats in local - and I'm not even a ganker. They really are pretty common from all non-PvP-oriented players when PvP is thrust upon them. If you want proof - go blink yellow for a couple of days on the undock of any mission hub station. You don't even have to shoot at anybody - if they shoot you just go ahead and dock up. I can pretty much 100% guarantee you that you will have real-life oriented insults and threats thrown at you - because that is just the way people get these days...So just imagine what CODE. gankers who actually go out of their way to make people explode have hurled at them...

Not saying it excuses Loyal's actions - as I say it isn't even related, they are entirely different types of crossing the line. But I still 100% guarantee you that it does happen.



Give me some names of active Anti-Gankers, not miner or freighter pilots. Anti-Gankers.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#116 - 2016-08-16 21:42:36 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Faylee Freir wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Who in the Anti-Ganking community "tossed out real life threats"?

The AG channels are tightly moderated. I have NEVER heard an active AG ever give a RL threat in local either.

I call BS.

Dont worry its not bs. Talk to any content creator and im sure they can share stories and tears.. Some filled with fits of rage that contain real life threats or inappropriate insults.

Ive personally seen plenty of toxic behavior out of both AG and the prominant ganking groups and even extends to both "deviant" content creators and plain old victims.

Just hypocritical that it seems like only those that are involved in emergent content get punished... And publicly hazed. If someone posted every edgy or inapproprite comment made to a carebear or victim there would be public outcry for banning. Flip that situation over where the ganker is the recipiant and everyone would say, "well its okay because they drove him to make those comments".

Its 2016 people. If men can be women and vise versa, then i say we get fair treatment for all when handing down punishments and bans.



You said RL threats, are you now adjusting that to toxic behaviour. Big difference. Police get called in for RL threats.

Im equating them in the fact that according to CCP they are both not allowed. Thats the thing.. Content creators and deviants get rl threats all the time and shrug it off.

HTFU
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#117 - 2016-08-16 21:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Faylee Freir
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Loyal's comments were different than RL threats - he took an RL tragedy that had *already actually happened* and spammed it and used it to insult/hurt people. He deserved his ban.


However Nitshe - I've seen anti-gankers throwing out real-life threats in local - and I'm not even a ganker. They really are pretty common from all non-PvP-oriented players when PvP is thrust upon them. If you want proof - go blink yellow for a couple of days on the undock of any mission hub station. You don't even have to shoot at anybody - if they shoot you just go ahead and dock up. I can pretty much 100% guarantee you that you will have real-life oriented insults and threats thrown at you - because that is just the way people get these days...So just imagine what CODE. gankers who actually go out of their way to make people explode have hurled at them...

Not saying it excuses Loyal's actions - as I say it isn't even related, they are entirely different types of crossing the line. But I still 100% guarantee you that it does happen.



Give me some names of active Anti-Gankers, not minor or freighter pilots. Anti-Gankers.

I cant procure any names because i could care less about rl threats from a pitiful online idiot. I dont generally save or screenshot those convos alrough i might have some in mails. I generally take these comments or insults as a comment card saying how well i did my job. Im sure someone here has a Dexter's bloodslide box filled with great insults and rl threats.

HTFU
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#118 - 2016-08-16 21:47:17 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Give me some names of active Anti-Gankers, not minor or freighter pilots. Anti-Gankers.

I don't keep lists of that sort of thing....it really is so common I barely pay attention anymore.

I also don't know who the "active" anti-gankers are tbh - there are 250-300 people in the channel at any given time when I've checked in - but only 5-10 ever talk, and not always the same ones...

Also if I don't report them to CCP I'm not going to report them to you P - I know they are just caught up in the passion of the moment and they don't really mean it, at least for the most part.

As I say what Loyal did was different - he calmly and rationally took a real-life tragedy and trolled with it. He 100% deserved his ban, it isn't even close to the same thing.

But it would still be a miracle if just being an anti-ganker stopped people from spewing hate-filled insults and threats, and getting carried away and going into RL-threat mode... At least on the modern internet.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#119 - 2016-08-16 21:50:16 UTC
I can personally confirm several counts of telling me exactly how I should kill myself in real life from dead wt's or baited targets while I was suspect (which was my favorite tears cause they had to shoot me to die)

I have had 2 cases of a RL threat that I can recall. One was the usual I will find you garbage and the other was somebody who had been in a corp with me for a week or 2 and had some idea of where I actually lived city wise. I've never had this from suspect baiters ive killed. Merc crews I've dunked, Wormholers I've evicted (several promised me ingame retribution), Lowsec Gate campers we stomped (complaints of blobbing aside), NullSecers (Test Pilots back in their Catch days with hero tended to dock up claiming we were cyno fit caracal or tristan gangs) but never once has a combat fit ship outside of highsec or was a highsec dedicated pvper ever brought the game to RL for me. Oh plenty of forum alts have done so too ;)

Basically a certain type of people in Highsec do tend to get lippy. Now I am aware of a lowsec PvPer getting personal with another but I wasn't the recepient

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#120 - 2016-08-16 21:52:24 UTC
Faylee Freir wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Loyal's comments were different than RL threats - he took an RL tragedy that had *already actually happened* and spammed it and used it to insult/hurt people. He deserved his ban.


However Nitshe - I've seen anti-gankers throwing out real-life threats in local - and I'm not even a ganker. They really are pretty common from all non-PvP-oriented players when PvP is thrust upon them. If you want proof - go blink yellow for a couple of days on the undock of any mission hub station. You don't even have to shoot at anybody - if they shoot you just go ahead and dock up. I can pretty much 100% guarantee you that you will have real-life oriented insults and threats thrown at you - because that is just the way people get these days...So just imagine what CODE. gankers who actually go out of their way to make people explode have hurled at them...

Not saying it excuses Loyal's actions - as I say it isn't even related, they are entirely different types of crossing the line. But I still 100% guarantee you that it does happen.



Give me some names of active Anti-Gankers, not minor or freighter pilots. Anti-Gankers.

I cant procure any names because i could care less about rl threats from a pitiful online idiot. I dont generally save or screenshot those convos alrough i might have some in mails. I generally take these comments or insults as a comment card saying how well i did my job. Im sure someone here has a Dexter's bloodslide box filled with great insults and rl threats.

I tend to save all that stuff cause reasons butttttt sharing it isn't constructive. If they just had an off day they don't need me making it worse. If they are serious somebody will find it when they go through my things I guess :D

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