EVE General Discussion

Jonah, first of all that was a pretty decent reply.

I never envisaged most people going one on one with the mercs, I was interested in seeing what could be created with a loose group, but the thing is when you do a comparison on what you can do with a small but tight knit fleet with bling fits, the right implants, drugs and OGB and competent logiyou really become a fairly hefty fleet that cannot be taken down even by 20 T1 frigates.. The trick is of course to catch them by surprise on the GTFO ships and fast lockers, but any more than that it will be difficult. The disparity in DPS can be significant, and these players can die very quickly, that being said it really depends how one goes about it.

I speak a lot to AG players and players who come into the channel, I found that the vast majority accept that Eve is a PvP game, this concept of people in hisec players wanting to ban hisec PvP is mainly incorrect, the people who call for the ending of hisec PvP are a very small minority.

Yes a majority of people do not want to interact with others or become forced to do stuff they do not want to do if it becomes a drag on them, you are quite right, and being in small numbers or alone makes you a lot more vulnerable n Eve. But at the end of the day that is what they want to do, most don't care enough to bother after the initial memory of being ganked has worn off.

Something needs to be done to enable those that have a bit more about them to get a bit more spirit, hence the OS I suggested above that something else needs to happen to make them want to work with others, that is why I suggested that CCP has to be very careful with indy structures, if they make it so they cannot be pulled down in 24 hours, I am not sure what will happen to the hisec player base, which is why I suggested to CCP to make one that can be taken down quickly but give others with higher yield that cannot, classic risk and reward. I don't think enough people realise just how fragile this remaining hisec base is. I am waiting to see what comes out from the indy structures, its a key change and I have no idea just what will happen to the hisec base if they cannot be removed within 24 hours, to say I am nervous is a whopping understatement.

That's the value to accept a contract, not how packages are transported. Multiple contracts are regularly transported together, although it's not recommended and non-RF contracts (eg. From the haulers channel) are often transported together with RF contract packages.

You can't tell what Freighter is carrying RF contracts from any other contracts as the Freighter pilots are not members of RF, nor do the Freighter alts directly accept the contracts.

So it's very common to be profitable to gank, but flying smart lowers the risk.

We could go gank some freighter wrecks, 2 Catalysts can do it in a 0.5 system if we don't get shot by anyone before CONCORD comes to blap us.

Are ag honestly complaining about ganking something being hard?

This might be my favorite thread of the year.

You know, you can always surrender and move on.

I'm sorry, Dirty, but counting numbers of systems is silly.

What matters is population count, which changes this considerably.

Don't let yourself get fooled.

I didn't bring it up - I just pointed out that the way he was using it was silly

Population count *would* work...although the null-blobs raise the population of 0.0 fairly considerably...that one is harder to put firm numbers on.


And I did already say the only reason more die in high sec is because the vast majority only fly in high sec.


As a percentage, more of the freighters that fly outside of high sec die...


But it is still silly/ridiculous to say that "more of them die outside of high sec"...

Sorry, tired. Probably missed it.

And yeah ofc more die in highsec...
... the population / amount of systems is way higher.
... freighters putside hs might actually have an escort. (?)
... more individuals owning them for themselves compared to ...
... people in alliances carrying loads for half the alliance.


I can't see how it's not obvious that more die in hs.

Maybe i should get sleep.

I actually found this out myself only recently when I posted a thread in the Features & Ideas forum to propose a nerf to CONCORD to compensate for what I perceived to be the problem of having CONCORD already on grid.

Apparently even with CONCORD pre-spawned on grid you still get a significant delay before they act. I forget the exact numbers quoted - but it was only something on the order of 10-ish seconds instead of 22....so certainly harder - but doable, in theory...

A positive sidenote...

I just now saved a fruit fly from drowning in my radler and put it somewhere where it can dry up again.

Silly fruit fly...