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Is CONCORD endangering humanity?
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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2016-08-11 02:06:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Take my hand, soldier


I saw it, everyone saw it!

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#22 - 2016-08-11 16:02:39 UTC
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
The same reason anyone is in charge anywhere. They have more and better ships.

This is true the only thing that keeps them in power is their ships if the drifters can kill them then we need to find out how and find a way to replicate this we need to discuss this away from CONCORD monitored communication channels of course


Morons like you are exactly why the DED needs to exist and maintain it's level of power.
Capsuleers are a threat to all humankind, near immortal gods that can reign down destruction on an egotistical whim. This is something that needs control.

CONCORD might not always seem like it's doing the best it can and it may come off as a powerhungry cabal of schemers and backstabbing politicians but at the moment its the best defence the people of New Eden have against the monsters in their midst.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2016-08-12 03:32:48 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Slayer Liberator wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
The same reason anyone is in charge anywhere. They have more and better ships.

This is true the only thing that keeps them in power is their ships if the drifters can kill them then we need to find out how and find a way to replicate this we need to discuss this away from CONCORD monitored communication channels of course


Morons like you are exactly why the DED needs to exist and maintain it's level of power.
Capsuleers are a threat to all humankind, near immortal gods that can reign down destruction on an egotistical whim. This is something that needs control.

CONCORD might not always seem like it's doing the best it can and it may come off as a powerhungry cabal of schemers and backstabbing politicians but at the moment its the best defence the people of New Eden have against the monsters in their midst.

Give this to other capsuleers especially for ISK and they will police just as good if not better than CONCORD
Nitshe Razvedka
#24 - 2016-08-12 08:13:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Take my hand, soldier, and choke yourself with it.


Again a humble gesture from a most Caldari Caldari. There is nothing you could do to offend me, just the opposite. You are true to form - most appreciated Kim. o7

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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#25 - 2016-08-12 13:07:21 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:

CONCORD might not always seem like it's doing the best it can and it may come off as a powerhungry cabal of schemers and backstabbing politicians but at the moment its the best defence the people of New Eden have against the monsters in their midst.

Sure, that's why they don't stop creating said "monsters" day in, day out.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#26 - 2016-08-12 18:30:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:

CONCORD might not always seem like it's doing the best it can and it may come off as a powerhungry cabal of schemers and backstabbing politicians but at the moment its the best defence the people of New Eden have against the monsters in their midst.

Sure, that's why they don't stop creating said "monsters" day in, day out.



Monsters can be useful, especially if you can send them out to take care of things that would normally take hundreds if not thousands of standard sailors to do.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be kept in a proper cage.

Beside, is your life really so rough, making more isk in a day than most citizens make in their entire lifetime? Purchasing expensive get aways and flashy toys? Able to move around the entire cluster freely or with minimal hindrance?

Honestly, enough with the petulant whining, we live lifestyles most people can only dream of, we can make mistakes that would cost anyone else their very lives. We have it very good and still we grumble for more.

It only takes 5 minutes at a large trade Hub to see why Concord needs to exist, and yes Concord has plenty of flaws, and yes sometimes they Suck at their job. But the truth is there are far far to many of us with zero regard for human life and because of that we need to kept away from the real people of New Eden.

You want Concord to stop existing?
Be a better Capsuleer, because when we don't need them, you better believe someone will get tired of paying for them.

Regards
K. Amsel
Nitshe Razvedka
#27 - 2016-08-12 20:05:36 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:

CONCORD might not always seem like it's doing the best it can and it may come off as a powerhungry cabal of schemers and backstabbing politicians but at the moment its the best defence the people of New Eden have against the monsters in their midst.

Sure, that's why they don't stop creating said "monsters" day in, day out.



Monsters can be useful, especially if you can send them out to take care of things that would normally take hundreds if not thousands of standard sailors to do.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be kept in a proper cage.

Beside, is your life really so rough, making more isk in a day than most citizens make in their entire lifetime? Purchasing expensive get aways and flashy toys? Able to move around the entire cluster freely or with minimal hindrance?

Honestly, enough with the petulant whining, we live lifestyles most people can only dream of, we can make mistakes that would cost anyone else their very lives. We have it very good and still we grumble for more.

It only takes 5 minutes at a large trade Hub to see why Concord needs to exist, and yes Concord has plenty of flaws, and yes sometimes they Suck at their job. But the truth is there are far far to many of us with zero regard for human life and because of that we need to kept away from the real people of New Eden.

You want Concord to stop existing?
Be a better Capsuleer, because when we don't need them, you better believe someone will get tired of paying for them.

Regards
K. Amsel



Just say: "Rasberry beret."

............................................as I thought, another Albino clone has slipped through again. Tssst tst quality control......

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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#28 - 2016-08-14 18:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashlar Vellum
Vizage wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:

CONCORD might not always seem like it's doing the best it can and it may come off as a powerhungry cabal of schemers and backstabbing politicians but at the moment its the best defence the people of New Eden have against the monsters in their midst.

Sure, that's why they don't stop creating said "monsters" day in, day out.



Monsters can be useful, especially if you can send them out to take care of things that would normally take hundreds if not thousands of standard sailors to do.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be kept in a proper cage.

Beside, is your life really so rough, making more isk in a day than most citizens make in their entire lifetime? Purchasing expensive get aways and flashy toys? Able to move around the entire cluster freely or with minimal hindrance?

Honestly, enough with the petulant whining, we live lifestyles most people can only dream of, we can make mistakes that would cost anyone else their very lives. We have it very good and still we grumble for more.

It only takes 5 minutes at a large trade Hub to see why Concord needs to exist, and yes Concord has plenty of flaws, and yes sometimes they Suck at their job. But the truth is there are far far to many of us with zero regard for human life and because of that we need to kept away from the real people of New Eden.

You want Concord to stop existing?
Be a better Capsuleer, because when we don't need them, you better believe someone will get tired of paying for them.

Regards
K. Amsel

Oh my, do you even believe in what you are saying?

Are you really suggesting be thankful to CONCORD for payments that we get from other organizations for our work?

And painting CONCORD as a humanitarian organization, please just stop. CONCORD proven time and time again that there are only two things they really care about - their own self-interest and making ISK every other thing is trivial to them. Same goes about controlling weapons of mass destruction that they are responsible for, they simply can't and "Operation Spectre" proved that in spades.

If you want to be a better capsuleer then you should be less of an a apologist for a corrupt and rotten organization.

Regards
A. Vellum
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-08-14 19:21:16 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Take my hand, soldier, and choke yourself with it.


Again a humble gesture from a most Caldari Caldari. There is nothing you could do to offend me, just the opposite. You are true to form - most appreciated Kim. o7

Okay. Okay. I am sorry I offended you.

But please please, for the Maker's sake and all the Winds. Could you PLEASE stop talking about me? I mean, in either way. Good or bad. Just STOP it.

And if you would like to do something that I would like, just join us and kill some gallente occupants for me.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Nitshe Razvedka
#30 - 2016-08-14 21:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Diana Kim wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Take my hand, soldier, and choke yourself with it.


Again a humble gesture from a most Caldari Caldari. There is nothing you could do to offend me, just the opposite. You are true to form - most appreciated Kim. o7

Okay. Okay. I am sorry I offended you.

But please please, for the Maker's sake and all the Winds. Could you PLEASE stop talking about me? I mean, in either way. Good or bad. Just STOP it.

And if you would like to do something that I would like, just join us and kill some gallente occupants for me.



At first when you offered me a hand I thought it may have been a deviant Gallente fetish I was not familiar with.

I do believe I am one of the few people you have apologised to. I must have got under your defences.

My Alts have participated in FW in the past, but I don't come close to your figure in kills.


No our paths are different Kim, I see a greater threat to all of Empire than the Gallente question. I actively fight Code. My specialty is EW so you will not see me on the KB's. I am not one to stroke my own ego (much). My Son and I also conduct larger operations against Code than just Anti Ganking. In three months time is our next big campaign. You would be more than welcome to join.


For the Maker's sake and all the Winds, I am returning to my normal roll as Caldari Master Spai. I will be in deep cover within C&P with no more communications to the IGS, ref your greatness, for the near future.......



Hail the Caldari State ( and its greatest Daughter D I a n n a ) o7

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#31 - 2016-08-14 21:07:20 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
I do believe I am the only person you have apologised to. I must have got under your defences.

There have been others. You are not special in this regard. And Kimmy has no defences, it's all offence.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#32 - 2016-08-14 21:09:15 UTC
Oh boy, it was both entertaining and disgusting to read.

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Nitshe Razvedka
#33 - 2016-08-14 21:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
I do believe I am the only person you have apologised to. I must have got under your defences.

There have been others. You are not special in this regard. And Kimmy has no defences, it's all offence.


fixed with edit, you are still bad Blink

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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#34 - 2016-08-14 22:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:

CONCORD might not always seem like it's doing the best it can and it may come off as a powerhungry cabal of schemers and backstabbing politicians but at the moment its the best defence the people of New Eden have against the monsters in their midst.

Sure, that's why they don't stop creating said "monsters" day in, day out.



Monsters can be useful, especially if you can send them out to take care of things that would normally take hundreds if not thousands of standard sailors to do.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't be kept in a proper cage.

Beside, is your life really so rough, making more isk in a day than most citizens make in their entire lifetime? Purchasing expensive get aways and flashy toys? Able to move around the entire cluster freely or with minimal hindrance?

Honestly, enough with the petulant whining, we live lifestyles most people can only dream of, we can make mistakes that would cost anyone else their very lives. We have it very good and still we grumble for more.

It only takes 5 minutes at a large trade Hub to see why Concord needs to exist, and yes Concord has plenty of flaws, and yes sometimes they Suck at their job. But the truth is there are far far to many of us with zero regard for human life and because of that we need to kept away from the real people of New Eden.

You want Concord to stop existing?
Be a better Capsuleer, because when we don't need them, you better believe someone will get tired of paying for them.

Regards
K. Amsel

Oh my, do you even believe in what you are saying?

Are you really suggesting be thankful to CONCORD for payments that we get from other organizations for our work?

And painting CONCORD as a humanitarian organization, please just stop. CONCORD proven time and time again that there are only two things they really care about - their own self-interest and making ISK every other thing is trivial to them. Same goes about controlling weapons of mass destruction that they are responsible for, they simply can't and "Operation Spectre" proved that in spades.

If you want to be a better capsuleer then you should be less of an a apologist for a corrupt and rotten organization.

Regards
A. Vellum



Don't be absurd. I never painted CONCORD as a humanitarian operation, they are a policing force, and please, do enlighten me on the exact times that Concord has proven to be solely interested in money.

Honestly it almost seems like you just threw a handful of cliched sentences together and hoped no one would questions the actual facts. Like referencing Operation Spectre, an empires-led coalition with capsuleers that had absolutely nothing to do with CONCORD.

See this is what really annoys me. Capsuleers don't even understand what CONCORD is before they complain about it. CONCORD is not a Navy, its not an Army, and its job isn't fighting outside threats to the empires.

CONCORD is a diplomatic body first, that creates channels and manages technology to maintain peace between the four Empires, and secondly it polices Capsuleers. That is all. It's not CONCORD's job to protect society from anyone but us.

So throwing out failures like Operation Spectre which had nothing to do with them and furthermore was outside of CONCORD's jurisdiction of policing, is just pure ignorance in distilled form.

Regards
K.Amsel
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#35 - 2016-08-16 18:00:39 UTC
Vizage wrote:

Don't be absurd. I never painted CONCORD as a humanitarian operation, they are a policing force, and please, do enlighten me on the exact times that Concord has proven to be solely interested in money.

Honestly it almost seems like you just threw a handful of cliched sentences together and hoped no one would questions the actual facts. Like referencing Operation Spectre, an empires-led coalition with capsuleers that had absolutely nothing to do with CONCORD.

See this is what really annoys me. Capsuleers don't even understand what CONCORD is before they complain about it. CONCORD is not a Navy, its not an Army, and its job isn't fighting outside threats to the empires.

CONCORD is a diplomatic body first, that creates channels and manages technology to maintain peace between the four Empires, and secondly it polices Capsuleers. That is all. It's not CONCORD's job to protect society from anyone but us.

So throwing out failures like Operation Spectre which had nothing to do with them and furthermore was outside of CONCORD's jurisdiction of policing, is just pure ignorance in distilled form.

Regards
K.Amsel

Exactly, Operation Spectre was led by admirals from the empire navies that were attacked and their vessels destroyed by capsuleers. Remind me what did "police force" do to said attackers? Were there any repercussions for the attackers, did CONCORD put them on a wanted list, maybe CONCORD made a public warning?

Organization whose "job is to protect society from us" and "police capsuleers", that's your own words by the way not mine, they simply did nothing, not a peep came from CONCORD.

CONCORD "protected", CONCORD "policed", job well done I guess.

Let's continue about how CONCORD is not a Navy and not an Army, and its job isn't fighting outside threats to the empires and it's not their job to protect society from anyone but us.
Well you see there is so called branch of CONCORD named - DED. Their main job is to track and eliminate high-profile criminals and their bases of operation. They also help and support customs officials when there is high criminal activity in the area.

Would you still insist on saying that "it's not CONCORD's job to protect society from anyone but us"?

Now to the final matter.

First of all I never said CONCORD solely interested in money, I said there were two things CONCORD cares about one of which is money. CONCORD make trillions in ISK on capsuleers they are supposed to police. Starting from SCC fees to war and sovereignty taxation, even their criminal system is heavily built around hoarding vast amount of money by baseliner standards. One minute a criminal the other is a law abiding member of society, ready to abuse the system again.

The cherry on top, CONCORD even involved themselves in drug trade. You are the one said we "need to kept away from the real people" and have "zero regard for human life" now imagine said psychotic lunatics raging on E or filled with bloodlust being on Drop, CONCORD legally allows them to use it now.

Regards
A. Vellum
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#36 - 2016-08-16 19:32:21 UTC
Alright, this is gonna take some time so lets work through this point by point.

Ashlar Vellum wrote:

Let's continue about how CONCORD is not a Navy and not an Army, and its job isn't fighting outside threats to the empires and it's not their job to protect society from anyone but us.
Well you see there is so called branch of CONCORD named - DED. Their main job is to track and eliminate high-profile criminals and their bases of operation. They also help and support customs officials when there is high criminal activity in the area.


Vizage wrote:


So throwing out failures like Operation Spectre which had nothing to do with them and furthermore was outside of CONCORD's jurisdiction of policing, is just pure ignorance in distilled form.


See this is called obeying the law. Operating outside ones jurisdiction is illegal and "running wild" by most peoples books.

Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Well you see there is so called branch of CONCORD named - DED. Their main job is to track and eliminate high-profile criminals and their bases of operation. They also help and support customs officials when there is high criminal activity in the area.


Yes the DED exists we all know that, but beside taking a small snippet of information and extrapolating wildly when has the DED operated against baseliners? Perhaps you mean assisting in shuttering ghost sites? Well certainly that is going to far isn't it? Or flagging hostile installation to keep it clear of non-combatants? Maker knows assisting empire custom officials during high criminal activity is just stepping well outside their bounds for clearly nefarious purposes. Shame on them, really.

Ashlar Vellum wrote:
First of all I never said CONCORD solely interested in money, I said there were two things CONCORD cares about one of which is money. CONCORD make trillions in ISK on capsuleers they are supposed to police. Starting from SCC fees to war and sovereignty taxation, even their criminal system is heavily built around hoarding vast amount of money by baseliner standards. One minute a criminal the other is a law abiding member of society, ready to abuse the system again.


"I never said that CONCORD was solely interested in money! Now here's why they are clearly soley interested in money."

What? But to be fair, you are right. You said two things. Self-interest AND money. Of course self interest would include money so it seems like a rather glaring cop-out (ha pun) that you dodged this question....

Ashlar Vellum wrote:
The cherry on top, CONCORD even involved themselves in drug trade. You are the one said we "need to kept away from the real people" and have "zero regard for human life" now imagine said psychotic lunatics raging on E or filled with bloodlust being on Drop, CONCORD legally allows them to use it now.


And once again you prove you have no idea how the intergalactic legal system works. CONCORD, is not in charge of what is legal or illegal within each Empires borders. It can "make suggestions" but at the end of the day, anythings legality within the borders of an empire is decided by that empire. That's called State Sovereignty and its why we bicker so much!

Regards
K. Amsel
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#37 - 2016-08-16 21:54:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashlar Vellum
It seems you misquoted at the start.

Vizage wrote:

Yes the DED exists we all know that, but beside taking a small snippet of information and extrapolating wildly when has the DED operated against baseliners? Perhaps you mean assisting in shuttering ghost sites? Well certainly that is going to far isn't it? Or flagging hostile installation to keep it clear of non-combatants? Maker knows assisting empire custom officials during high criminal activity is just stepping well outside their bounds for clearly nefarious purposes. Shame on them, really.

DED is fighting pirate factions quite frequently and no, by fighting I don't mean "flagging hostile installation" or "shuttering ghost sites" I mean combat operations in pirate controlled regions.

Speaking about ignorance, before you were talking "CONCORD is a diplomatic body first, that creates channels and manages technology to maintain peace between the four Empires, and secondly it polices Capsuleers. That is all."

Vizage wrote:

"I never said that CONCORD was solely interested in money! Now here's why they are clearly soley interested in money."

What? But to be fair, you are right. You said two things. Self-interest AND money. Of course self interest would include money so it seems like a rather glaring cop-out (ha pun) that you dodged this question....


Again no, I said exactly what I said and you can check that. Self-interest could include money it could not, not all advantages can be gained solely thru money.
It is kind of funny that you dodged everything I pointed out, don't tell me you have no CONCORD apologetic rhetoric now.

Vizage wrote:

And once again you prove you have no idea how the intergalactic legal system works. CONCORD, is not in charge of what is legal or illegal within each Empires borders. It can "make suggestions" but at the end of the day, anythings legality within the borders of an empire is decided by that empire. That's called State Sovereignty and its why we bicker so much!


Inner Circle are the one who pushed the legalization and made production deal with X-Sens. You could even talk about how ICR has representatives from 4 empires, but now with it members primary drafted from CONCORD even that would no longer be true.

PS

ICR is a department of CONCORD, if you don't know.

Regards
A. Vellum
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#38 - 2016-08-16 22:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Makers sake man, The Inner Circle cannot enact laws. They can only recommend them. Regardless of who are the representatives of the ICR, they cannot enact laws for the Empires.... If you have an issue with the legality of booster/drugs/etc, the blame lays squarely with each Empires government, not CONCORD or the ICR. So please spare me the patronizing.

And yes I understand that self interest could or could not include money as its sole incentive, but surely you could provide some examples since you cited it so vehemently instead of backpedaling on the grammatical interpretation? I mean, why even cite ISK as a reason specifically if you can't provide an example, whats the point? If I said "These people are bad because they do drugs and rob people" you had better believe I'd have an example of both else I wouldn't levy an indictment of both.

Regards
K. Amsel
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#39 - 2016-08-17 19:49:55 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Makers sake man, The Inner Circle cannot enact laws. They can only recommend them. Regardless of who are the representatives of the ICR, they cannot enact laws for the Empires.... If you have an issue with the legality of booster/drugs/etc, the blame lays squarely with each Empires government, not CONCORD or the ICR. So please spare me the patronizing.

ICR was the one that put it on the table, pushed legalization and made production deal, not the big four.

Vizage wrote:

And yes I understand that self interest could or could not include money as its sole incentive, but surely you could provide some examples since you cited it so vehemently instead of backpedaling on the grammatical interpretation? I mean, why even cite ISK as a reason specifically if you can't provide an example, whats the point? If I said "These people are bad because they do drugs and rob people" you had better believe I'd have an example of both else I wouldn't levy an indictment of both.

I did provide examples of what I was saying, you chose to dodge it altogether.

Do have to say I am impressed so far. You tried to push wealth and standard of life guilt first, then talked about ignorance and showed that your knowledge on the matter is lacking just after, tried to change the narrative of opposing argument, got called out for doing so, called it a cop-out and dodged every point, started misquoting or at least I hope you did otherwise you started to post gibberish.
You are in it to win it, please carry on.

Regards
A. Vellum
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2016-08-17 23:41:04 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Makers sake man, The Inner Circle cannot enact laws. They can only recommend them. Regardless of who are the representatives of the ICR, they cannot enact laws for the Empires.... If you have an issue with the legality of booster/drugs/etc, the blame lays squarely with each Empires government, not CONCORD or the ICR. So please spare me the patronizing.

ICR was the one that put it on the table, pushed legalization and made production deal, not the big four.

Vizage wrote:

And yes I understand that self interest could or could not include money as its sole incentive, but surely you could provide some examples since you cited it so vehemently instead of backpedaling on the grammatical interpretation? I mean, why even cite ISK as a reason specifically if you can't provide an example, whats the point? If I said "These people are bad because they do drugs and rob people" you had better believe I'd have an example of both else I wouldn't levy an indictment of both.

I did provide examples of what I was saying, you chose to dodge it altogether.

Do have to say I am impressed so far. You tried to push wealth and standard of life guilt first, then talked about ignorance and showed that your knowledge on the matter is lacking just after, tried to change the narrative of opposing argument, got called out for doing so, called it a cop-out and dodged every point, started misquoting or at least I hope you did otherwise you started to post gibberish.
You are in it to win it, please carry on.

Regards
A. Vellum

Well that's justyour average CONCORD apologist for you
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