Market Discussions

As trader, I would suggest looking at the higher NPC taxes for people trading at the smaller hubs. People who had low margins and did trade on the smaller hubs or did seed local pockets of space. Have some stuff working against them atm.

First they loose from Citadel competition, because;
- They don't understand how it works
- Its new market ways and they simple did not take time to invest the mechanic
- They are afraid for asset safety
- They don't use citadels out of habit
- Contracts where not ending in Citadels

Secondly they loose income due to supply chain costs;
- More taxes on normal supply chain lines, will decrease profit on a lot of products, the masses will drop products that are no longer feasible in profit margin.

Third; Critical mass in turnover on local hubs
- With less turnover in market, due to local supply simply disappearing due to higher taxes in the supply chain, has a few consequences;
* Existing wholesalers will drop prices even further, in favor of turnover, to maintain critical mass in their portfolios, what is even encouraged by citadel strategies.
* People with small volumes can not afford the risk of selling at near margins at smaller hubs, they will ship to hubs with higher volume to have sales when the market peaks.
* When people with stocks in local market hubs, want to leave the market due to lower returns. They will dump in market, or move the stocks. The dumping of ISK that is hold up in their hangers creates a lower market price on local products. Inter regional traders will all avoid markets where dumping occurs by locals or competition, which leads to less turnover (again).
* Besides the above, stocks that need to make turnover will be moved by people who can afford logistics to place it in hubs that have the turnover to generate ISK. The bigger inter regional wholesalers, have no problem with lower margins, as long as the turnover on their product keeps the critical mass cq healthy profits EVE wide.

When Citadel trading was announced, I suggested on forums that the new tax scheme would consolidate tredevolumes even more. Since that is the most logical outcome, based on the described stuff above and in this thread. It seems its happening already.

Oursalert was a very nice place way back in ye olde days

The game is just dying away.

Have another look at Red Frog's prices.

Let me remind you.

2013: Jita to Dodi, freighter parcel, 1b collateral: ~5.6 million ISK
2016: Jita to Dodi, freighter parcel, 1b collateral: ~26 million ISK.

You can pretend CODE. doesn't matter, but facts do not lie. And Red Frog, as the biggest hauling corp, understand the actual risks because they insure them.

I agree with you that only idiots get ganked. (A freighter pilot flying blind, without a scout, is by default an idiot).

Fact is, there are so many idiots that they warp the game economy. Ganking in Uedama alone is one of the largest mineral sinks in the game because a never-ending stream of idiots refuse to exercise the minimum due dilligence needed to avoid expensive lessons, and fail to learn those lessons until they are taught them several times.

This... Yes Dodixie has declined, but Rens has declined to disastrously low level. I haven't looked at statistics or such, but I do log in regularly at Rens and the local count is horribly low these days.

Yeah. I have traded there for years some relatively low volume/slow sales items. They were always slow-ish but things got bought and sold. Nowadays I could be on top of the buy/sell order for a few days and nothings gets bought or sold. I'm not even outbid or undercut by other traders there on some items. They just don't move anymore :p

are there any updated numbers on hub trade volumes compared to a year ago?

Whats up in the 8, 9 and 12 spot with huge numbers of Guidance Systems orders?

for Dodixie when it came to selling my planetary interaction stuff and my stuff from doing exploration they gave me less than 40% of the actual average so it's better for me to go elsewhere perimeter is the best place to go sell **** now

Yes. With respect to building materials (e.g. minerals, hyper synaptic fibers, moon goo, etc.), Amarr is dead. There's a lot of buy orders, to be sure, but little fulfillment of buy orders. I don't know how to describe it but I feel like Amarr is a less liquid market. Lots of stuff for sale but not necessarily moving.

So now I go to Jita so I don't have to wait as long for buy orders of minerals and the like to be filled.

Rens is worse in some respects, but still great for minerals only and not tech 2 stuff.

I could be wrong but this is my feeling with Amarr and Rens. Fuzz's data may say different, of course.