Crime & Punishment

Watchlist change almost completely headshot specialized hunting and stalking. Some groups still roam around and theres still ways to hunt but its an incredibly horrible process.


That has nothing to do with why you think highsec pvp is dead. Fights arent suppossed to be fair. Sorry if i tilt the advantage in my favor. A mercs killboard is proof of his ability to get the job done with minimal loss and maximum target destruction. A merc woukd have a difficult time getting into any half-decent merc group with a terrible killboard. Would you hire a merc group with a shoddy killboard in hopes that they will complete said contract with maximum efficiency? Probably not. Their killboard and a list of happy clients are our business card. Your loss and tears are the comic sans and wingdings psychedellic font.


Some merc groups offer much cheaper rates than others. You will find some that are just starting out and willing to do them almost for free just to build a brand. Like everything, you get what you pay for.


Please elaborate. Im willing to refute in a civilized manner if it will open your eyes.

Concerning out contract workload. Dont worry, we actually have a lot of paid work.

As a customer, I don't care about Your efficiency- only about whether the job gets done or not. Your losses are deducted from your paycheck and all that.




But, playing the devil's advocate ... if they're so efficient, wouldn't they be competitive by doing the same job CHEAPER? You can't be both more efficient AND more expensive- that makes no sense. ;-)

That may be you.


But you on a whole doesn't matter. Killboards do take a large role when it comes to clients picking a contractor. I've seen clients decided to drop all negations with a contractor due to a fleet loss, or embarrassing loss. IE Someone losing a Loki to a Brutix.

First off all i find it a intresting post to read.

For me it didn't die completely and i love flying arround true space whith my scout and find my wartargets @ least i have to do some effort to find and kill people. It's a game of being smarter then the opponent somtimes i fail and yes that gives me some nice content on the KB as people can only judge there on a fit and didn't see the true fight.

Somthing that is hard for me to understand in a game where pvp is a big part of it is the ammount off people avoiding the fights and if they get caught that they just not fight back.

But sofar i stil have fun in HS.


Lol and for all the Killboard worriers yes i like to camp trade hubs from time to time it's the easy pvp whit the kids arround :P

Let's just blame Fuzzy..... er Fozzie. It's easy and probably true.

High sec PvP is alive and well. But then again I have only been around about 9 months.
So I never seen care bears fight back with anything other than a "Care bear Stare"

Nah
Mercs only help with the thing called Darwinism

Did my fair share of hi-sec care-bearing so can give you my view of what your average hi-sec care-bear mentality is and how its evolved.

They see places like low, null, FW & even RvB as established places for people to head to for PvP content.

So, with all these areas available, they assume anyone looking to PvP in hi-sec must be a failed PvPer who can't hack it there.
Otherwise where is the challenge in attacking ships with little or no combat capability, piloted by low skilled inexperienced people (combat wise), other than to get 'easy' kills to pad out their Kboards or mask their inability to compete with real pvpers?

This gives them a distinct lack of respect towards these type of people and leads to an attitude of 'why should i become content just for them'

So now when a wardec comes their way, they view it as just someone wanting to ruin their game or playstyle, and now endevour to return the favour.
Through experience they know direction action doesn't work. If they fight back they'll likely lose badly which increases the chance of the wardec being extended (plus making them a more likely target for future wardecs from others).

So they sorta 'fight' back in an indirect way, by dropping/jumping corp, removing POS's etc or logging in but then spending their time playing on an alt.
They'll then sit back amused while watching the wardeccers station/system camp a target they have no intention of undocking, while ignoring any taunts in local etc.

They are purposefully going out to deny these 'hi-sec pvpers' any content thus trying to ruin their game & playstyle, like they are trying to do to them.

So, after spending an hour or so removing targets (POS's) & jumping corps etc, they are carrying on as normal, whilst they see the wardeccers wasting isk & game time for no gain.
In essence, they then get to effectively feel they 'won' the conflict, even though not one shot has been fired.

It's become an effective strategy (If it is good enough for null alliances etc then its good enough for them), and as more hi-sec carebears have cottoned on to it, it's causing less people trying to fight back.

Tbh i've no idea when it became popular but wouldn't go against your estimate of a year or so, as thats a similar timeframe as to when i've been sat in public mining fleets or chat channels when Wardecs have come in, and the POS owners scuttle off to remove them (or at least strip them down to the bare bones)