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Wanted Oneiros to support Shield fleet

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Tarbro Abec
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-08-12 19:44:42 UTC
Looking for suggestions for Oneiros fit to support mainly shield fleet.

Please assume Tech II / Faction modules and all related skills at V.

Thanks
Viktor Amarr
#2 - 2016-08-12 20:52:55 UTC
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Tarbro Abec
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-08-12 21:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarbro Abec
It's probably safe for me to interpret Viktor's response as "you asked me to answer a nonsensical question."

I've done that before, once even in real life...but my wife eventually forgave me for that one. She did say "don't let it happen again." I did and it was not a pretty sight. But, two times in 31 years is not too shabby, eh.

However, I am committed to achieving, before I die, perfect knowledge, gained without external resources, about all things Eve.
Zoltan Lazar
#4 - 2016-08-12 21:25:48 UTC
Oneiros is an armor logi ship. Not shield.
Tarbro Abec
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-08-12 21:35:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarbro Abec
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Oneiros is an armor logi ship. Not shield.


Clever. Very clever. Proffering a reply I can do something with.

Check your wallet.
Zoltan Lazar
#6 - 2016-08-12 22:15:34 UTC
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Oneiros is an armor logi ship. Not shield.


Clever. Very clever. Proffering a reply I can do something with.

Check your wallet.


Thanks!

And further information, the shield equivalent that you're looking for is the scimitar, minmatar ship. Oni/scim are self-stable for cap, guardian/basi are 'chain' stable, they generate cap out of thin air using their bonus to cap transfers and a 'cap partner'.

For the future, the easiest way to tell what a ship is good for is to read its bonuses.

If you need help determining a fit for anything let me know, personally most of my enjoyment of the game comes from min/maxing ship fittings.
Tarbro Abec
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-08-12 22:24:50 UTC
The contrast in responses was worth a material "thank you" to me.

So,

I do know I've got a solid Oneiros for armor. I'm going to go ahead and head toward the scimi.

So, no rush, but an excellent scimi fit or two, per my op will be welcomed.

Elinara Yamamoto
Latex Entosis
Insignificant Others
#8 - 2016-08-13 02:12:15 UTC
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Oneiros is an armor logi ship. Not shield.


Clever. Very clever. Proffering a reply I can do something with.

Check your wallet.


Thanks!

And further information, the shield equivalent that you're looking for is the scimitar, minmatar ship. Oni/scim are self-stable for cap, guardian/basi are 'chain' stable, they generate cap out of thin air using their bonus to cap transfers and a 'cap partner'.

For the future, the easiest way to tell what a ship is good for is to read its bonuses.

If you need help determining a fit for anything let me know, personally most of my enjoyment of the game comes from min/maxing ship fittings.



Sorry to hijack the thread like that, but If that is true then I have been looking for you for a long time lol, can I buy you as a personal EFT (or whatever you use) Warrior for myself?

There is several ships I need help with, my PvE Rattingsnake is just one, Entosis Falcon another!

I ll send you an Evemail or something if you agree :)
Zoltan Lazar
#9 - 2016-08-13 03:21:40 UTC
Tarbro Abec wrote:
The contrast in responses was worth a material "thank you" to me.

So,

I do know I've got a solid Oneiros for armor. I'm going to go ahead and head toward the scimi.

So, no rush, but an excellent scimi fit or two, per my op will be welcomed.



Since you said 'fleet' I'm assuming you mean a logi that is buffer fit and catches reps from other ships rather than self rep fit, let me know if that's wrong.

The standard buffer fit scimi is:

[Scimitar, scimi]

Damage Control II
True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Technically not cap stable but you're pretty much never going to be turning on all four reppers and going AFK so it's plenty of cap.

For 50m more you can drop one power relay and the reactor control for a pair of caldari navy power diagnostics. This gives more shield EHP but a smidge less cap, and of course the higher price. Still, the cap is well within 'realistically stable' as mentioned above.

Elinara, I sent you a mail.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-08-13 03:55:11 UTC
This is how you should be flying a scimitar:

[Scimitar, fleet]

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Signal Amplifier II

Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster
Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster
Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster
Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster

Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

If you're going to put an AB on a logistics ship, go with the cap-chaining ones since they're a lot more resilient and can take a beating.

Point of a scimi/oneiros is to be out of harm's way and the extreme speed of the scimi allows it to do that.
Zoltan Lazar
#11 - 2016-08-13 18:29:40 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
This is how you should be flying a scimitar:

[Scimitar, fleet]

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Signal Amplifier II

Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster
Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster
Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster
Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster

Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

If you're going to put an AB on a logistics ship, go with the cap-chaining ones since they're a lot more resilient and can take a beating.

Point of a scimi/oneiros is to be out of harm's way and the extreme speed of the scimi allows it to do that.


I assumed he was asking about PvE. But for PvP this is what you'd be going towards.
Tarbro Abec
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-08-13 19:29:57 UTC
I did want PvE fit.

Thanks to all.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-08-13 22:06:04 UTC
Then please ignore :)

What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions?
Tarbro Abec
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-08-16 00:30:37 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Then please ignore :)

What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions?


Sleeper
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#15 - 2016-08-16 01:18:36 UTC
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Then please ignore :)

What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions?


Sleeper


You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi.

What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-08-16 08:19:41 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Then please ignore :)

What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions?


Sleeper


You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi.

What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive.


For C3's a Scimi with an XL ASB is enough, stop shield transfers and agro moves off you very quickly. And its very easy to fit if your using deadspace med transporters.

No Worries

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-08-26 10:53:32 UTC
[Oh No Eiros shieldy fit]

you've named it i've done it


Civilian Damage Control
Basic Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Basic Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Basic Energized Explosive Membrane
'Citadella' 100mm Steel Plates

5MN Microwarpdrive I
'Basic' Capacitor Recharger
'Basic' Capacitor Recharger
'Shady' Sensor Booster

'Micro' Remote Shield Booster
'Micro' Remote Shield Booster
'Micro' Remote Shield Booster
'Micro' Remote Shield Booster

Medium Core Defense Charge Economizer I
Medium Core Defense Charge Economizer I

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Tarbro Abec
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-08-27 14:06:28 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Then please ignore :)

What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions?


Sleeper


You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi.

What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive.



Up to C3 and C13s. Fleet size unknown but likely <=5.
Blinky Jimmy
Iron.Guard
NullSechnaya Sholupen
#19 - 2016-08-27 19:14:07 UTC
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Then please ignore :)

What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions?


Sleeper


You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi.

What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive.



Up to C3 and C13s. Fleet size unknown but likely <=5.

In that case, I suggest you use a spider tank setup. Fit remote cap transfers and local tank on the ships, cap chain each other, and run your reps off the cap chain. You'd want two logi, only one in a sleeper site and the logi will die, and 2 logi in a 5 man fleet is inefficient. If you can tell me more about the ships you want to run I can give you some fits.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-08-28 16:43:37 UTC
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Tarbro Abec wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Then please ignore :)

What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions?


Sleeper


You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi.

What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive.



Up to C3 and C13s. Fleet size unknown but likely <=5.


C13s are frigate only I believe, so you won't be able to shove an oneiros through :p
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