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Stop the wars !!! I want to do my own thing !!!

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#261 - 2016-08-15 14:54:58 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
In all the time I have floated this idea I have had not one single good reason why it is a bad idea, ...

Bullshit.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#262 - 2016-08-15 14:59:03 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.


That is so pathetic

So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. ShockedRoll

Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. Lol

sounds kinda like that afk flag for local you keep asking for dosent it eh.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#263 - 2016-08-15 15:02:29 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.


That is so pathetic

So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. ShockedRoll

Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. Lol

sounds kinda like that afk flag for local you keep asking for dosent it eh.


That is different, it is to make the AFK part less effective without destroying cloaks.

Keep on topic, are you chaps really that bad and worried what a few rag tag indy carebears could do to your killboards with a slight splash of red on it. At least you will get a chance to shoot a few brave ones...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#264 - 2016-08-15 15:07:19 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

That is different,

no it isnt.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#265 - 2016-08-15 15:09:49 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

That is different,

no it isnt.

Exactly.

Wants free Intel, but can't see the double standard.

What a surprise.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#266 - 2016-08-15 15:10:13 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

That is different,

no it isnt.


Well actually I was expecting to have to defend that little beauty, no free lunch for me, and Teckos bless his cotton socks was telling me it was too easy and did not cost enough, I bet he will have a different view on the watch list one for reasons...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#267 - 2016-08-15 15:11:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

That is different,

no it isnt.

Exactly.

Wants free Intel, but can't see the double standard.

What a surprise.


And you did the job for Teckos, glorious stuff...

EDIT: So Ralph thinks it beneath him to defend something like that, Jonah thinks its too much work and you think its free intel which is what Teckos thinks, so if I have two sets of HTFU players disagreeing I must have something right. QuestionIdeaShocked

EDIT2: And you got 3 likes for that, the wonders of throw away lines that expose your own hypocrisy, lovely stuff.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#268 - 2016-08-15 15:34:24 UTC
no i think discussing it further with you is though.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#269 - 2016-08-15 15:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
That is so pathetic
How is it pathetic? Please do enlighten me.

Mining and hauling can be done AFK, and they often are, if they are done AFK the people involved are being rewarded for putting in zero effort. I don't see proposals from yourself to make the reward for those activities consummate with the amount of effort put in by the players; the player driven rewards for not being AFK are a tad better in that you don't explode nearly as much, the mechanical rewards for not being AFK are pretty much the same as those for being AFK.

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So what this person who does not PvP
That really bugs you doesn't it? It needs clarifying though; while I don't PvP in the sense that I don't engage in "traditional PvP", I certainly do PvP in other aspects of the game, one of which includes not getting involved in unwanted "traditional PvP" by using the game mechanics to my advantage. In short your definition of PvP is extremely limited and short sighted.

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is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. ShockedRoll
Nope I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in you demanding that mercs put in more effort to their gameplay while ignoring that the majority of the people they prey on rarely put any in at all.

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Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free
Locator intel has never been free, either in terms of isk or the standings required to use the agents.

Quote:
lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. Lol
Did I suggest any of this? I think that you'll find the answer is a resounding no.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#270 - 2016-08-15 17:03:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.


Pathetic...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#271 - 2016-08-15 17:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.


Pathetic...
Avoiding the question is commonly regarded as a logical fallacy.

I asked you how my statement was pathetic, given your refusal to answer the question beyond restating that you think it to be pathetic I think that it's safe to say that you can't.

Quelle surprise.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#272 - 2016-08-15 17:33:31 UTC
lets play DracvlaaaaaaaAAAAAD BINGOOOOO!

you have all been provided with one of these easy to reference bingo cards ,
first one to call bingo wins an unsuccessful-at-everything fit raptor.

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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
#273 - 2016-08-15 18:21:17 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.


That is so pathetic

So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. ShockedRoll

Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. Lol

I think I had to get standings for the locator agent and there is a cost each time I use it and there is a delay between uses. So free is not accurate. It is hyperbole just as the rest of your statement.
Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
#274 - 2016-08-15 18:27:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Keep on topic, are you chaps really that bad and worried what a few rag tag indy carebears could do to your killboards with a slight splash of red on it. At least you will get a chance to shoot a few brave ones...

And quit talking about killboards, I've played this game for 13 years and don't give a **** about killboards. Talk about staying on topic...
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#275 - 2016-08-15 19:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Keep on topic, are you chaps really that bad and worried what a few rag tag indy carebears could do to your killboards with a slight splash of red on it. At least you will get a chance to shoot a few brave ones...

And quit talking about killboards, I've played this game for 13 years and don't give a **** about killboards. Talk about staying on topic...


Are you a merc? What relevance do you and your attitude to your killboard have in terms of certain mercs kicking people who suffer a loss. This means that they are worried about having red in their killboard for some reasons....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#276 - 2016-08-15 19:18:25 UTC
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.


That is so pathetic

So what this person who does not PvP is saying to you mighty mercs is that you are unable to baby sit an OS against the PvP might of the dreaded carebear, I did not know you were so bad at Eve. ShockedRoll

Lets give them watch list intel for free, lets give them locator intel free, lets tell them the fits that their enemies have and give them a warp in while we are at it, all for free after all they cannot be expected to put any effort in. Lol

I think I had to get standings for the locator agent and there is a cost each time I use it and there is a delay between uses. So free is not accurate. It is hyperbole just as the rest of your statement.


I have locator agents too, so what?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#277 - 2016-08-15 19:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.

Proposals for people to put more effort into their game play are all well and good, except when those proposals target only one type of activity. Expecting the more PvP orientated to put more effort into gameplay that affects others, while refusing to acknowledge that their "victims" rarely put any effort in at all, is disingenuous.


Pathetic...
Avoiding the question is commonly regarded as a logical fallacy.

I asked you how my statement was pathetic, given your refusal to answer the question beyond restating that you think it to be pathetic I think that it's safe to say that you can't.

Quelle surprise.


Still pathetic, you are saying mercs are not capable of defending an OS from indy carebears, didn't know you had such a low impression of them...

And for Ralph, responding to people by linking stuff, really sad...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#278 - 2016-08-15 19:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point.
I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.
For instance, you brought up kb's not i.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#279 - 2016-08-15 19:33:19 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point.
I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.


Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#280 - 2016-08-15 19:39:46 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
No im done responding to your arguments, im just entertaining myself at this point.
I may as well given that you rearly if ever respond to what i type, rather whatever you would rather dismiss.


Well sadly you seem to have decided that the only thing you want is the totally free watch list data just like it was before. Bit disappointing that...

There you go again,
From day 0 of this 5 1/2 month argument ive been advocating for locators to get a balance pass ,
I have never once asked for what you just said.

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