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Rushed Drake, what now?
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Souls Rei
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-16 17:37:30 UTC
I have finished training my Drake, however the support skills would take another 2 weeks to finish. I am planning to enter C1 WHs with this fit, should be ok i hope

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webfier II
Shield Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

I doubt i can take on WH with ~180 missile dps. so i chose to sit out and wait.
However, durning these 2 weeks, i have no idea what to do except than waiting for my support skills.
Is there anything lucrative i can do with my Drake in the mean time? How are LS anomalies or plexes in comparision to l4 missions, if they are runable at a decent speed at this point for me.

Thank you
notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#2 - 2012-01-16 17:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: notha atfast
If you manage your triggers in the C1 then you should be fine. I would actually lose the rage and go standard missles since you are mostly working with Frigs and you will have trouble applying damage. The nueting in a C1 is negligible. So watch triggers and you shouldn't have any problem with this fit in a C1.

I have run many a sight in a drake...it's not the fastest, but once you take out the towers the damage from the ships is easily tanked in the drake.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-16 17:55:33 UTC
Souls Rei wrote:
I have finished training my Drake, however the support skills would take another 2 weeks to finish. I am planning to enter C1 WHs with this fit, should be ok i hope

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webfier II
Shield Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

I doubt i can take on WH with ~180 missile dps. so i chose to sit out and wait.
However, durning these 2 weeks, i have no idea what to do except than waiting for my support skills.
Is there anything lucrative i can do with my Drake in the mean time? How are LS anomalies or plexes in comparision to l4 missions, if they are runable at a decent speed at this point for me.

Thank you


If you are going solo, you will want a salvager. The juicy loot in a C1 are the melted nanoribbons. If you are salvaging on one ship you will want a prop mod (some wrecks will end up 40km away.

This is the big reason I gave up trying to solo ninja WH's and just moved into one.

180dps will break the tank of any C1 sleeper rat. They are only frigates and cruisers. Obviously higher goes faster.

I gave up on scourge fury missiles, as their explosion radius sucks. I now just use Scourge again (cause I'm cheap).

around a 225dps omni tank will tank any C1 sleeper site. There is only one that could break the tank, which is the Phase Catalyst Node. This is because it has 4 Sirius sentries, which can hit hard. If you take the time to knock 2 of them out it becomes like any of the other sites. The other site "the line" isnt hard, but the last wave will neut out a drake if you are slow.

In the meantime a drake can do L1-L4 missions. The benefite even to just running L3's is that they are still decent isk for a new pilot, and it gives you experience flying the ship.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-01-16 17:58:47 UTC
notha atfast wrote:
I have run many a sight in a drake...it's not the fastest, but once you take out the towers the damage from the ships is easily tanked in the drake.



This is the key point. The towers are the only things that pose a damage threat. The sleepers themselves are easily tanked. I just prefer to be able to tank the towers and ignore them. Wastes time killing them for no gain.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#5 - 2012-01-16 18:18:38 UTC
I know I will sound SO BORING NANNY to you again, but "rush" and "EvE" don't go very well together.

If I were you I'd do at least a full run of L2 - L3 missions till the storyline to get comfortable with how the ship reacts and how targets are affected by what you toss at them.

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drdxie
#6 - 2012-01-16 18:37:13 UTC
Not sure why you would want a web. Also you NEED a salvager to get the benefits of running wh anoms, which then implies you get a propulsion mod otherwise you will take ages to get to the wrecks, unless you have a dedicated salvage ship. Don't use fury missiles on frigs and unless you have good skills and sig radius implants don't use them on cruisers either.
If you don't know yet, get used to having dscan up and keep spamming it. I have different tabs so while running them I can only see ships, bombs, probes, etc, and another for sleepers and wrecks, this way you keep your dscan list short.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-16 18:39:45 UTC
drdxie wrote:
Not sure why you would want a web. Also you NEED a salvager to get the benefits of running wh anoms, which then implies you get a propulsion mod otherwise you will take ages to get to the wrecks, unless you have a dedicated salvage ship. Don't use fury missiles on frigs and unless you have good skills and sig radius implants don't use them on cruisers either.
If you don't know yet, get used to having dscan up and keep spamming it. I have different tabs so while running them I can only see ships, bombs, probes, etc, and another for sleepers and wrecks, this way you keep your dscan list short.


I have been using a Web in a C1 against the sleeper frigs along with a TP. The hope being to blow up their sig and slow them down to help the explosion velocity. I'm tempted to just try 2 TP's though.

I did notice a benefit when i went from just a TP, to TP+Web. But I don't know if 2 TP would work better (plus they have better range).
Souls Rei
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-16 19:49:58 UTC
I see, i am using Caldari Navy Scourges atm. And if i use a salvager, won't i need to use a missile slot for soloing? Which would drop my dps by a 7th.
I'll start off running few missions then i guess. I was also considering killing time with FW, which might give me some insight in PvP, just in case for unplanned encounters in WH
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-16 19:55:52 UTC
Souls Rei wrote:
I see, i am using Caldari Navy Scourges atm. And if i use a salvager, won't i need to use a missile slot for soloing? Which would drop my dps by a 7th.
I'll start off running few missions then i guess. I was also considering killing time with FW, which might give me some insight in PvP, just in case for unplanned encounters in WH



Yes you will lose a missile launcher for a salvager. But without the salvager there is little point in running WH sites. Hence the reason I dislike trying to do everything with one ship.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-16 20:14:47 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Souls Rei wrote:
I see, i am using Caldari Navy Scourges atm. And if i use a salvager, won't i need to use a missile slot for soloing? Which would drop my dps by a 7th.
I'll start off running few missions then i guess. I was also considering killing time with FW, which might give me some insight in PvP, just in case for unplanned encounters in WH



Yes you will lose a missile launcher for a salvager. But without the salvager there is little point in running WH sites. Hence the reason I dislike trying to do everything with one ship.


Take a day to train a scanner alt, park it in the WH with you in case of emergency. The bookmark logistics are a bit funky though.

Alternatively use another account for scanning, but thats pushing what... pretty much everyone in a C1 can do.
notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#11 - 2012-01-16 20:23:54 UTC
If your are not going to salvage your sleeper wrecks then you are leaving incredible amounts of ISK behind. I ran 3 NPC sites last night in a C1. and salvaged 14 nano ribbons for around 100mil isk. Each nano ribbon is 7+ mil(rens). All the tags from the sleepers combined made about another 6-8 mil. Granted the ribbon return is all random, I have done 3 sites and gotten 3 total ribbons. But you run sleepers for the Ribbons and not much else. Some of the other salvage may bring in a little, but nothing like those tasty ribbons.
Souls Rei
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-16 20:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Souls Rei
I will run Drake/Drake one with probe, other with salvager/tractor soon i guess.

Just to confirm that i am doing it correctly with my Drake:
-Align to random object/acceleration gate
-Shoot on the targets that is closest to you within 37km (is there a dps difference between 1km or 37km?
-Keep both Invulnerables up at all times

If i am correct, in PvP situation, you would want to stay as far as possible, so use MWD/prop while trying to keep the distance. Or if they come in range then web.


Also how does a beginner handle a POS? Is it advised to live in C1 WHs right off the bat or slowly get a feel of how things work there first?
notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#13 - 2012-01-16 20:48:52 UTC
When running the anom's when you DON'T live in the WH. Stay alligned to something far away. Not always the exit cause they can warp bubble that...it's too obvious.

Missle damage is the same if you hit at 51k or 1k. So shoot as soon as they are in range.

keep invuls up. sleepers do omni damage types. so you have to have solid resists across all the types.

Sleeper frigs are fast. But your flying a brick of a drake. So it will passive regen faster than the incoming damage. So you don't have to have a speed module. Though I would put one on the salvaging drake just to speed things up.

and don't mess with Pos's yet. They are a bear to take down with an 8 man group using BS's and you cannot enter a C1 with a BS. If it's a deathstar config let it be. Not worth the loss of the ships.
Souls Rei
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-16 22:17:57 UTC
Thank you,

but i think you misunderstood my last question. Let me rephrase it, should i go for a POS and start living in C1 WH as soon as i find one that suits me or do i clear anoms then get out of the WH when i am done, then for example the day after that, search for another WH, run anoms and repeat.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#15 - 2012-01-16 22:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Souls Rei wrote:
Thank you,

but i think you misunderstood my last question. Let me rephrase it, should i go for a POS and start living in C1 WH as soon as i find one that suits me or do i clear anoms then get out of the WH when i am done, then for example the day after that, search for another WH, run anoms and repeat.


Once again, do one thing at a time.
A POS is its own minigame, got some important logistics issues related to refuelling it in a WH, you should learn what mods to use and where to put them, how to create / manage a corp and setup the various corp divisions / wallets / tralala...

Moreover you would have to train anchoring and starbase defense skills, the latter can take a good time to get to 4+

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-17 00:20:10 UTC
Souls Rei wrote:
However, durning these 2 weeks, i have no idea what to do except than waiting for my support skills


Before answering anything elsei I did want to address this line.

I know we have chatted some in game, and I have mentioned this before, but I am going to again because it is critical.

EVE is very different from most MMO's. Pretty much different from all MMO's I have played.

In most, you can successfully "powerlevel" and get to that higher end content pretty quickly. It is all a matter of how much playtime you have.

EVE is the opposite. Due to the skill training, there is pretty much NO way you can powerlevel. So the key thing to learn in EVE (IMO) is to learn to enjoy what you can do at the moment.

It is far too easy to fall into the "If only..." trap. If only I had this ship I could have some fun. If only I finished these skills I could do X.

The problem with this mentality, is you will be perpetually frustrated. This is because there is ALWAYS another ship. There are always more skills.

As to living in a wormhole, I don't have the energy to go into detail right now. But as you know it is what I have done. I moved into a C1 with some friends when I was about 5 months old.

I would say at a minimum you want 2 accounts. You can do it solo, but a second account makes things much easier. With all the useful ships and skills I'd say you need a minimum of 5 months worth of trading to really be successfull.
drdxie
#17 - 2012-01-17 00:45:05 UTC
Its always better living in a wh than continuously ninja'ing them.. For starters logistics are easier. Bookmarks now are not problem to share if you are in the same corp, so using 1 account with 1 scan and 1 shoot toon may work. I prefer to dual box. Once you in a wh and have the confidence you can easily earn enough to plex 1 or both accounts. It is wise to do some research, and maybe even join a wh corp to get the hang of it.
This guide I found quite handy when I first went into wh's. It may be a little outdated but its a good start.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-01-17 08:10:30 UTC
No salvager. Don't waste your time and ammo in C1.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Souls Rei
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-01-17 15:30:42 UTC
drdxie wrote:
Its always better living in a wh than continuously ninja'ing them.. For starters logistics are easier. Bookmarks now are not problem to share if you are in the same corp, so using 1 account with 1 scan and 1 shoot toon may work. I prefer to dual box. Once you in a wh and have the confidence you can easily earn enough to plex 1 or both accounts. It is wise to do some research, and maybe even join a wh corp to get the hang of it.
This guide I found quite handy when I first went into wh's. It may be a little outdated but its a good start.


Thank you, it seems very helpful and is worked out really well.



Derath Ellecon wrote:
Souls Rei wrote:
However, durning these 2 weeks, i have no idea what to do except than waiting for my support skills


Before answering anything elsei I did want to address this line.

I know we have chatted some in game, and I have mentioned this before, but I am going to again because it is critical.

EVE is very different from most MMO's. Pretty much different from all MMO's I have played.

In most, you can successfully "powerlevel" and get to that higher end content pretty quickly. It is all a matter of how much playtime you have.

EVE is the opposite. Due to the skill training, there is pretty much NO way you can powerlevel. So the key thing to learn in EVE (IMO) is to learn to enjoy what you can do at the moment.

It is far too easy to fall into the "If only..." trap. If only I had this ship I could have some fun. If only I finished these skills I could do X.

The problem with this mentality, is you will be perpetually frustrated. This is because there is ALWAYS another ship. There are always more skills.

As to living in a wormhole, I don't have the energy to go into detail right now. But as you know it is what I have done. I moved into a C1 with some friends when I was about 5 months old.

I would say at a minimum you want 2 accounts. You can do it solo, but a second account makes things much easier. With all the useful ships and skills I'd say you need a minimum of 5 months worth of trading to really be successfull.


I am aware of this, and that is exactly the reason why i am trying to set the pace higher for me. I am what you can call a typical hardcore gamer who wants to reach end game content asap and aim for some achievement, whether PvP or PvE.

Honestly, i am searching for some excitement, meaning: in my opinion, i don't have to be fully prepared till i feel i can take everything head on before i move on, just the basic is sufficient. Even if i lose a ship or two due my recklessness, i'll probably count it was worth it since i'll get a valuable lesson in exchange. A drake is not something you can't replace, its value is the main reason behind it's popularity i assume.

It's kinda ironic, but now that you tell me that you needed 5 months to prepare for WH just urges to go there asap. x3
I feel that i have read enough about WHs (except for POS) for me to try it soon. Then again, i know i shouldn't rush it, but sometimes you can't help it.
Anyway, i'll keep you informed of my WH exploration experience (in 2 weeks) occasionally in game if you are interested.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-01-17 15:49:46 UTC
Souls Rei wrote:

I am aware of this, and that is exactly the reason why i am trying to set the pace higher for me. I am what you can call a typical hardcore gamer who wants to reach end game content asap and aim for some achievement, whether PvP or PvE.


I understand. The problem with that mentality in EVE is that you simply cannot powerlevel your way to the higher level content like in most MMO's. Well to be fair in a way I guess you can by power-isking, and buyng high end toons.

Souls Rei wrote:
Honestly, i am searching for some excitement, meaning: in my opinion, i don't have to be fully prepared till i feel i can take everything head on before i move on, just the basic is sufficient. Even if i lose a ship or two due my recklessness, i'll probably count it was worth it since i'll get a valuable lesson in exchange. A drake is not something you can't replace, its value is the main reason behind it's popularity i assume.


Right. But you talk about sitting around waiting for skills to train until you can find that "excitement" There is tons of challenging stuff to do at every levet. For example, if you want some challenge while waiting on your drake, go run the Sisters of EVE epic arc. I lost my first two ships in those missions (Tristan and vexor).

My main point is not to push yourself. Heck I moved into a WH way before anyone thought I should. And I realized I needed lots more skills to be successful. So I get the idea of wanting a challenge.

My main point to get across is that there are challenges to be found at all levels. And getting into the "I need to wait until i finish x skills before I can have fun" will ruin your enjoyment of the game.

Souls Rei wrote:
It's kinda ironic, but now that you tell me that you needed 5 months to prepare for WH just urges to go there asap. x3
I feel that i have read enough about WHs (except for POS) for me to try it soon. Then again, i know i shouldn't rush it, but sometimes you can't help it.
Anyway, i'll keep you informed of my WH exploration experience (in 2 weeks) occasionally in game if you are interested.


It's all good. I always enjoy a chat, so feel free to ask anytime or give updates. I have gone through everything you are talking about, learning many things the hard (and expensive) way.

And stay away from this blog. It's what sent me down the WH path.

http://eve-wormholes.blogspot.com/

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