EVE General Discussion

No it doesn't need to 'find a balance'. That's the mistaken thinking many a game maker and other business person has made.

Trying to achieve some kind of balance everyone finds enjoyable is as impossible an idea as establishing a feminist strip club is. Products need focus, and they also need principles to adhere to. If a Vegan restaurant starts seeing a decline in customers, the solution is not to start selling Steak...it's "make better tofu burgers".

So I've taken a month off Eve and don't see myself going back to this game anytime soon.

My primary reason is that there are so many good games on Steam/GOG these days.

And the good thing about these games is that you can mod or customise them to your taste.

With an MMO, you have no choice. You either have to like what the devs give, or quit. And playing an MMO feels like a job. If you're not playing, then you're falling behind everyone else, so what's the point?

Meh. I can't blame CCP. It's just the nature of MMOs.

One of the things which always drew me to this game and has kept me coming back over the past several years is that each person determines their own fate and that in game behaviors rule the universe.

Build a corporation, organize it get some reputation, move up in the world. Move up too much, get smacked back down. It's a fun balance and it leads to a complex social and political game where there is give and take on just about every action in the game.

This has all ended over the past year and frankly it's making the game terrible. Traditional enemies, traditional friends, personal relationships and back room dealing has given away to massive payments from shady internet betting companies being the most powerful force in the game.

I think that the bravest thing that CCP has done in the past 10 years was to ban the cancer that was Somer Blink from the game and freeze out all of their assets.

I think the stupidest thing that CCP has done ever was the World of Darkness MMO, but second to that, the stupidest thing they have done is their tacit promotion of online gambling and enabling those outside forces to markedly change the game.

It's impossible to balance a game when one group of people through means outside the game literally dump trillions of isk against random people for no reason. It's one thing to fund wars against the Goons in the north, but it's completely different to break up small alliances with payments of 500B isk

There isn't any real way for a group in the game using in game methods to stand up to someone spending 7 trillion isk to fight them in a 6 month period. How does CCP not realize that this is wrecking their game? We're getting an absolutely terrible reputation amongst the different MMO's for being too 'pay to win' now. CCP, follow the lead of Steam and get rid of the BS gambling sites that are wrecking the game.

Thanks

One of the things which always drew me to this game and has kept me coming back over the past several years is that each person determines their own fate and that in game behaviors rule the universe.

Build a corporation, organize it get some reputation, move up in the world. Move up too much, get smacked back down. It's a fun balance and it leads to a complex social and political game where there is give and take on just about every action in the game.

This has all ended over the past year and frankly it's making the game terrible. Traditional enemies, traditional friends, personal relationships and back room dealing has given away to massive payments from shady internet betting companies being the most powerful force in the game.

I think that the bravest thing that CCP has done in the past 10 years was to ban the cancer that was Somer Blink from the game and freeze out all of their assets.

I think the stupidest thing that CCP has done ever was the World of Darkness MMO, but second to that, the stupidest thing they have done is their tacit promotion of online gambling and enabling those outside forces to markedly change the game.

It's impossible to balance a game when one group of people through means outside the game literally dump trillions of isk against random people for no reason. It's one thing to fund wars against the Goons in the north, but it's completely different to break up small alliances with payments of 500B isk

There isn't any real way for a group in the game using in game methods to stand up to someone spending 7 trillion isk to fight them in a 6 month period. How does CCP not realize that this is wrecking their game? We're getting an absolutely terrible reputation amongst the different MMO's for being too 'pay to win' now. CCP, follow the lead of Steam and get rid of the BS gambling sites that are wrecking the game.

Thanks

Here I have to agree. Vets have no incentives to change something (most of them are plain bored). Everyone (who did not have a set up channel of passive income) is tired of grinding for isk for hours in exchange for several minutes of potential FUN combat.

That's just my 2c.

That's why pre-MMO era online games were better imo.

I have played and forgotten perhaps 20 MMOs I have played, I still recall every MUD (!!!) and in general late 90' - early 2k online game I played. These were 100-500 people communities, they had a massively insane rate of players retention because you'd form very strong bonds.

Even today, I still have fun and I *** shoot videos *** when I play an early 2k "MMO" and meet Felicia, who effectively meet and play with me since 14 years.

14 years online friendship, many marriages last less than that.


EvE came right after that early wave and EvE in fact formed an incredibly solid "ancient players" core. EvE still had the goodness of those "pre MMO" era games (and in fact, it did not launch with 500k subs at day zero like other games did).

EvE started declining in the soul before in the subs, when those ancient players started quitting (turnover, jobs, whatever) and got replaced by a more "current" playerbase, including the elite of such playerbase. They are elite but not the old "we'll form a 12+ years long bond" kind of elite, but "just" good players.

I know this is an extremely hard to describe, subtle - very subtle change that happened without anyone noticing at first. But it happened.

I have known some corp mates in EvE who were beta players... they were just different. I have know many excellent, even awesome newer players who now rank high in alliances but... it's not the same thing. There's something inside that got lost, the feeling you cannot forget when you first defeated your foe in an old game where actions mattered.



Also, not really too distant from the above:

In modern EvE, you go -10, you biomass. And forget it's forbidden, nobody is going to catch you. In modern EvE, there's always "alliance reimbursment" so your screwups don't matter.

In modern EvE, you put a bounty and.... who cares.

In modern EvE, return to success is always a couple of PLEXes away.

In a game having its very foundations built on consequences, this change in direction has undone the very reason to play EvE: a competitive game where victory or return back to competitivity is always as distant and your credit card is.

You carebears are ridiculous.

You all come here complaining how pvp drives people away, reducing CCP's revenue, but as soon as CCP introduce ways to increase revenue, you complain again.

No wonder CCP ignore it all.

You carebears are ridiculous.

You all come here complaining how pvp drives people away, reducing CCP's revenue, but as soon as CCP introduce ways to increase revenue, you complain again.

No wonder CCP ignore it all.