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Another Machariel fit needed.

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Cuppa Tea
Clear Vision Industries
#1 - 2016-08-12 20:06:20 UTC
I have just fitted my Mach after spend hours searching around the forums and other sites. Have just finished a couple of easy level 4's and noticed my shields are dropping like stones. I would be panicking in harder missions....any suggestions most welcome.

[Machariel, L4 Machariel]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Micro Jump Drive (Sometimes MWD)
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II (Can't fit 2 of these as I am out of CPU) so went for....
Domination EM Ward Amplifier (swapped out with other Domi's for mission specific rats)

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
[Empty Rig slot]
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I


Hobgoblin II x6
Federation Navy Hammerhead x1
Federation Navy Ogre x3

DPS = 1069.5

Not really after blitz. Just as safe as possible. Thanks for your time.

Thanks again.
Llehctim Ttirrem
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-08-13 00:25:07 UTC
can you drop the tractor for a second invul maybe???
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#3 - 2016-08-13 00:51:05 UTC
If you're not trying to blitz, but trying to fly as safe as possible, then the Mach is not the right ship.
Elinara Yamamoto
Latex Entosis
#4 - 2016-08-13 02:07:42 UTC
The Mach needs high pilot skills to fly it in any way, shape or form.

NOT talking about the skills you are training or injecting here.

That's why I m not flying one gg
Cuppa Tea
Clear Vision Industries
#5 - 2016-08-13 02:28:27 UTC
Thank you for the input.

Skills mostly V with a couple IV Perhaps I am just being to cautious.

[code]If you're not trying to blitz, but trying to fly as safe as possible, then the Mach is not the right ship.[\code]

So if the fit looks okay, can you suggest a tactic for the fit?

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-08-13 02:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Fit is kind of plain. IN the sense of other fits I have seen (it looks fine in that noting is outright wrong with it) Mach as mentioned is more a blitz ship. Your lows...go to RF gyro. More dps, more blitzy. I commonly see 3-4 of them in fit searches.

You didn't post hardwires.. You want and need more dps so here is how you would get them if not plugged in already.

wires plus the shiny gyro....rats die faster. Old eve saying goes tank by gank. don't have to tank dead rats, faster dead less you have to tank.

If not going for blitz....marauder may be more to your taste.

Or to stay mach....and it is heresy to some...you might consider running mach in an armour tank setup sometimes. TBH this might be preferable in some setups.

Last I did mach pve long ago....armour setup made me feel better against em based rats. Heavy em slamming me had me not liking a shield tank sometimes. I felt tank by gank wasn't applying well here. But in my case I don't spam eve-survival for mission guidance . So sometimes I hit triggers on accident for more rats I'd be better off not having. Bad habit from tengu pve...I just start shooting crap and don't care with the speed/sig/actual tank on it. Armour tank will drop your dps as a trade off obviously.

And since on about Em and I eee you have a slot open, maybe an Em rig. Its not much, but its better than nothing.
Cuppa Tea
Clear Vision Industries
#7 - 2016-08-13 03:10:42 UTC
Thanks Zan. I will swap the gyros IIs for RF ones. As for wires, I have nothing plugged in.what do you suggest?
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#8 - 2016-08-13 03:39:34 UTC
I used to fly a similar one, injected too. Here what i would recommend:

- Drop MJD, add Afterburner. Your tank will benefit a lot from AB speed (damage reduction from missiles, harder to track too).
- Remove a tracking enhancer, replace with a gyrostabilizer
- Get an ambit rig, add a resistance rig (EM probably), last rig should be either capacitor safeguard or a second resist rig, tech 2 ambit and resists rigs should be kinda cheap
- With resists rigs you should be able to switch your passive EM for an active whatever, or even a second invul if you still have CPU left

With these changes you should get a bit more DPS as well as better overall tank. Feel free to go RF for gyros, as advised.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-08-13 03:48:39 UTC
You should be killingonly the stuff that's needed for the objective and then GTFOing

Pretty much never use Hail as you want to be as far away from rats as possible.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-08-13 03:51:26 UTC
Hardwires can be a personal choice. I like to make "generic" setups. I like implants work on more than one ship weapon and ship class and even race.

You can get this here almost. Cost and desire to pay that will determine level. For PVE clones I like the ones ending in 05. assuming no poddings they make their money back in time.

Slot 7 motion prediction...tracking always a good thing...and this will work with any gun ship
Slot 9 surgical strike..work with anything gun based...more damage never a bad thing.

These 2 will add some kick to the ship...and if you want to take a say loki for a spin they work their too.


Rest..call is on the player.

Slot 10 has the large projectile implant, its player call to lock that slot down. If spamming the mach (or going marauder one day to mix it up a little) could be a decent investment. Pirate or T2 BS the peak of pve unless wandering out of empire for cap/super pve lol.

Slot 8 not much there for direct damage application for this boat. Is a long range targeting implant for range. It's application to minmatar not as much a payback as it with my say rail Kronos I run from time to time. Find something better..thats up to you

slot 6 is the will you ever run set implants with omega personal debate.
Cuppa Tea
Clear Vision Industries
#11 - 2016-08-13 10:21:48 UTC
Thank guys.

I have fitted and wired as suggested and will give it a go.

If I just suck bad I'll go back to null and continue exploration.

Thanks again.

atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#12 - 2016-08-13 18:53:41 UTC  |  Edited by: atomic killer
If you don't blitz, then try this fit.

Hi 800 + Heavy Nos
Med Gist C-type afterburner, Gist C-type large shield booster, 3 rat specific hardeners
Low 4 damage mods, 2 tracking enchancers, damage control
Rigs: ccc

Use afterburner to speed tank NPC. Always shoot frigs first, then cruisers / bc and then BS.
Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
#13 - 2016-08-13 21:21:14 UTC
For an AC mach either an AB or a deadspace mwd is probably the way to go. You can mitigate or avoid a lot of rat damage through only aggressing single packs and piloting to minimize damage from as many rat BS' as possible while crushing one.
Since you are essentially a brawling bs, dont neglect the four heavy drones you can use; travel time isnt a huge issue whem you are already < 5 km from your target. If you can't use t2 heavies, navy heavies are well worth the price.
In terms of implants, I'd plug in 5% tracking (motion prediction) before either damage harwiring.

my other nano is a polycarb

Nya Kittenheart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-08-14 23:40:23 UTC
-x 4 RF Gyro
-X3 TE
-500 mwd compact
-heavy electrochemical capbooster/ 800 cap
-2 missions specific pith resist hardener
-Pith XLshield booster

-x 7 800MM t2

-em shield rig t1
-Large Projectile Collision Accelerator t2

This will close the deal of any mission you may encounter,use standard ammo for completion ,faction for blitz.
If you re tight on cpu either pimp the TE or switch for a cpu upgrade ,and you can also switch the rig for hyperspatial velocity one if you farm in minmaatar space.
For drone id recommend to stick with lightdrones,heavies are too slow to actually have a significant effect on time completion, under heavy BS presence either use gecko if money isn t an issue or medium drones are quite a good compromize compared to heavies .
Tel Bakhara
The Vacation Corporation
#15 - 2016-08-15 05:29:06 UTC
I'd rather go T1 Scout gun with Fleet Ammo..

The other post answers. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=490242&find=unread
Mach works well with Arties, MJD to 100km+ and kill small things first. For turrets, range wil help tank+tracking
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-08-26 11:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345580

here we go, took me a while to find it but worth reading

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Julius Priscus
#17 - 2016-08-26 11:35:46 UTC
this is what a guy used to use to run lvl 4 high sec missions..

[Machariel]
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster

800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x10

Barrage L x5629
Nanite Repair Paste x124
Hail L x8479

make what ever t2 to help avoid being killed.
Reinhardt Kreiss
TetraVaal Tactical Group
#18 - 2016-08-27 07:53:23 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
this is what a guy used to use to run lvl 4 high sec missions..

[Machariel]
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster

800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x10

Barrage L x5629
Nanite Repair Paste x124
Hail L x8479

make what ever t2 to help avoid being killed.


A typical case of a bling fit that's actually worse than a normal decent one. No speed mod means you can't close in to get in better falloff resulting in poor performance and slow completion times.
Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
#19 - 2016-08-27 08:21:39 UTC
For ACs, run a single prop mod and either an extra sheild hardener in the slot or a stasis grappler if you feel you don't needed the extra tank.
The dual prop mach is probably better with arties since you tank via range.

Armor fits are fine on the mach as well, you have enough room for 3 gyros a repper and 3 resistance mods. Frees up a lot of cpu vs a sheild tank, and gives you plenty of mids for tracking computers, webs/grapplers, a sebo, etc.

The mach is basically the typhoon as a gunship, the slot versitility of the mids and lows is still there, and the speed and agility is enhanced.

my other nano is a polycarb

Julius Priscus
#20 - 2016-08-30 07:39:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Julius Priscus
Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
this is what a guy used to use to run lvl 4 high sec missions..

[Machariel]
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster

800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x10

Barrage L x5629
Nanite Repair Paste x124
Hail L x8479

make what ever t2 to help avoid being killed.


A typical case of a bling fit that's actually worse than a normal decent one. No speed mod means you can't close in to get in better falloff resulting in poor performance and slow completion times.


don't need it that much in null sec.. I made 45m a tick a fair amount.

just realised its a lvl 4 mission fit I went out of my way to kill in a mission and took out his pod too.. basically my null sec fit is very different
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