Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"I think it is a bad idea because I think the current mechanics provide ample warning.

I am also sick of people not learning about these sort of simple mechanics and then blaming the game. In fact, the person I responded to was suggesting that an EVE mail be sent which already ******* happens!!!

Like I said, take a bit of personal responsibility and understand the most basic stuff about a game you choose to play. What is more basic in a PVP game than understanding how the damn combat system works? It is simple self preservation.

Why is there a trend of people expecting the game to hold their hand at every step? "


How do you take some simple visual for convenience into a "hand holding" / "personal responsibility" /
You're stuck in some loop man, and taking this way out of proportion.


"I think it is a bad idea because I think the current mechanics provide ample warning."

-OP's idea really isn't about focusing on any of that ****. We're talking about window dressing here that happens to have benefits and no negative effects.

"I am also sick of people not learning about these sort of simple mechanics and then blaming the game. In fact, the person I responded to was suggesting that an EVE mail be sent which already ******* happens!!!"
-If you're sick of those people, what are you doing about it? Do you lounge around help chat helping people?
I don't think anyone is blaming anything here really. And what does any of that have to do with the original idea.
As far as whoever you're responding to about that mail thing, you could use more tact. But again, OP's idea is just talking about some minor visual convenience. Not only that, but if he as a player didn't get the message via that "simple mechanic"
then the argument is there that OP's idea would be beneficial. And that isn't fuckin 'hand holding'. Don't mistake archaic systems as being some elite ****.


"Like I said, take a bit of personal responsibility and understand the most basic stuff about a game you choose to play. What is more basic in a PVP game than understanding how the damn combat system works? It is simple self preservation."
-Now we're really far away from the topic, onto circlejerk ave. Personal responsibility? Self preservation? Shut the **** up.

"Why is there a trend of people expecting the game to hold their hand at every step? "
-I don't know, that's a topic for another discussion that has nothing to do with OP's idea. Why don't you go ask that in general discussion. There are probably some youtubers who would do a better job and probably already have videos on that topic if you are so curious. Is this issue eating away at you that much? Why don't you go **** off and find some answers instead of using a question to rhetorically retort and shut someone down. Imo, one of the bottom line answers would probably be, because there is a market for it. You vote with your wallet. Companies use massive big data studies and focus groups to find what could make them more money. I think we're the ones tired of people like you trolling every post into turning into a discussion of hand holding. How the ****, is OP's idea of adding one bit of info onto the login screen, "hand holding"? Why are we even talking about this here? Does beating Dark Souls make you some kind of badass?

How is having useful bit of 'information at a glance' on that screen a bad thing? How is it hand holding?
Would it not be time saving to people who have 20+ alts and such? It would benefit many players, over many times. Exponentially time saving. Are people not allowed to explore experimental concepts in this forum? I thought that was the whole point no? What have you actually said that contributes anything at all to the original idea put forth?
Personally I would tell her to whittle it down to 3 icons and get rid of the banner and color. To keep it more subtle. And try another mockup of that and compare it to the first one.

Are you going to petition about the neocom having a clock because we have one on our desktop anyway?
Are you gonna get mad if they add the current weather in addition to the time and date to your smartphone's unlock screen?
"OMG apple stop hand holding my life I can check the weather myself!" lol
What, you think you're some pvp badass? You want to impress me, go pvp in first person camera with no ui and get some solo killmails. I ain't space rich, but show me video of those kills and I'll give you 50 million per killmail.
Is the buy all button the last straw for you? Are you triggered by the new fitting manager? Do you need to go to your safe space because Google changed their official logo to a new font?

When people like Annexe who have something original to put forth, decide not to bother at all anymore, we all lose out as a whole. When you don't have people like her to **** on anymore, what are you going to do, just **** on yourselves all day?

I mean if your intent is just to shitpost on purpose so more people come after you and bring you more pvp content, then shitpost to your heart's content. I've got no problem with that. But if you are sincere here, then you are sincerely ********.

I'm the one that needs to use tact? Bit funny coming from a post laced with personal attacks and name calling when my "tactless" post about the EVE mail requests was two words in caps: "IT DOES!"

I really see no reason to shut the **** up. If someone can't be bothered to realize after two methods of notification that they are at war then, yeah, I think it is their own god damned fault and deserve to explode upon undocking.

This forum is for people "to explore experimental concepts." Part of that process is discussion about the post (it's in the forum name, in fact). Discussion sometimes means disagreement with the entire idea or concept.

Why do I have to be first person, no UI, solo PVP rated to comment or post my thoughts? I am not sure what Apple or Google has to do with any of this. I think the idea is bad. I said so, and I gave my reasons. I did not insult the OP or call anyone names. So why don't you go **** yourself.

EDIT: I think calling the idea bad is the wrong descriptive. Unnecessary is better.

These are actually "Communications" and they are accessed through the NEOCOM.

NEOCOM>SOCIAL>MAIL

They are formatted just like an EVE mail because they are system generated EVE mails. The notifications are a recent addition and if you click on one for a war dec or a bill or a insurance payouts or structures or agents or whatever it opens within the MAIL section. These "notifications" even have a FROM: field and a little envelope icon next to them.

Why don't you have a look in game and perhaps it will become clear.

The mail icon flashes when these are received as well just like EVE mail from your friends or corp or alliance. NOW all of these things ALSO show up in the new Notification Feed. But, for as long as I can remember, they arrived flashing and happy under the MAIL NEOCOM button.

EDIT: Also, the little tabs labeled "EVE Mail" and "Communications" will independently flash when new messages arrive.

EDIT2: I think I figured this out. Are you wanting to get these outside of the game like on EVE Gate? If so then you are correct they are not showing up because you can't access that Communications tab through EVE Gate.

+1


I DO log in to my indy chars every day. I DO check my notifications/corp wars section. Every day. Even with that, I'd still appreciate a log in screen info blip. Would take a bit of the chore aspect out of it and give more time and attention to the actual game.

If you want to find it quickly I suggest the corp/alliance wars section.

But they will not implement it, it'll vastly increase the number of people who refuse to play under wardecs.

Glad I could help

Anyway, people prefer different notification methods and consume information differently. I find the current war dec notifications simple and convenient while you find it cumbersome. So it looks like I was wrong and something like the OP's idea might be useful.

I still say it's not hard to figure out if you are at war, and I really want to be a hard ass and slippery slope the whole dumbing down thing but - **** it - you win this round.

Yeah, you're right, you can see that info from there. And that is where I check. Every day. But it's also not really going to be any sweat off your back to have the log in screen display 1 more piece of information either. For me, it would be a huge QoL improvement.


And yeah, any QoL improvement also can lend to a laziness 'improvement,' but it's like some of the key mappings. They're horrid and could be so much better. Sure older players(like you and I) can just go in and change them no biggie. But WHY are they set up so horribly to start with? If they were done right the first time, there wouldn't need to be a discussion with every new player ever 'Yeah it's mapped to that but that's a ******** map and you're NEVER going to use these buttons for this map unless you're leading incursion groups, so clear these Keys and map those to them' sort of deal.


But yeah, I agree, there are ways to get this info. But each of those ways has flaws in one form or another. Either buried under other notifications, not readily accessible if you don't know where to look, or a half assed 'mail' that doesn't really draw attention to it. Doing it this way is just another piece of information that could and should be available at a glance on the character card. Who knows, maybe we'll get toggle-able character card information eventually? Til then, Yeah, I'd like to see this information on the character card, just because it would improve my EveQoL, not because I'm too lazy to do it the way it is already available.

My whole thing about it is newbies. It's why I think it's a good idea.

How many times have you found some poor sap who is less than a month old and doesn't understand what's happening? Because I've caught quite a few.

A Veteran isn't really effected by this. Asides from small less than one percent will notice when they are decced. I've only come across two situations where this was a thing. One wasn't even my war, just a forum post. That your probably aware of.

However I've seen countless number a newbro's getting there **** blown up because they don't understand what is going on to begin with. This would change that.

I am completely okay with losing out on a Rtard JF kill if it means newbros understand the game and how it works better.

Personally i like this idea. I have always thought the notification when you're at war should be really goddamn obvious considering the consequences..

Lol i'm guessing someone lost something expensive to highsec mercs.

Also no, be less stupid and check notifications.

This game is already getting too safe.